# Phil Collins documentary (YouTube) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** documentary-bio\ **Created:** [December 18, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838 "2024-12-18T23:55:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/21 "2024-12-25T00:03:15Z")
Correction: The “Duke” opener of “Behind the lines” has a 2 minute intro of it’s 5 minute plus playtime. That is a really long time for a radio friendly song. Cannot embed content. So imagine a band with two drummers and a keyboardist with a stack of them. And after only one long minute, the drummer on the right (stage left) pops down to be the lead singer. Dunno if that opened the show yet I like the crowd cheer when after only one minute Phil comes down to sing. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/22 "2024-12-25T21:18:54Z")
Will check out the doc. Doubting there’ll be any apology to drummer Chester Thompson for Phil’s tantrum at CT in front of the band and crew in 2010 during _Going Back_ tour. Sure, bandmates always have run-ins / squabbles, but not only was this waaaaay over the top, it’s extra lousy that Phil hasn’t bothered to even _speak_ to George since then. I think there’s something to be said by this reddit comment: > [@](#): > > I get the sense that Phil is a bigger asshole than we realize. When I read his memoir, I took away the notion that he’s aware he was a neglectful husband and an absentee father, but none of that was his fault, since he was providing for his family. Now he’s on Divorce No. 4, which I’m like, “Phil, maybe the problem is you.” Not to mention he’s super thin-skinned. Being upset at Chester because he said touring with Genesis was more fun than touring with Phil solo? Dude. C’mon. Take the criticism as a gift. Bill Bruford once said Phil’s problem is that he cares too much what the food critic of the Newark Star-Ledger thinks of him. At this point, Phil owes Chester an apology, and an olive branch. Kudos to Chester for being the ultimate pro’s pro and not burn bridges. Still venerating “Selling England By the Pound” and “Duke”. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/23 "2024-12-31T07:23:05Z")
> [@Lucas\_Jackson](#): > > I liked him better after Genesis broke up. I though his [“Can’t Hurry Love”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9IwBJYTwQ0) video was kind of his breakout Genesis “broke up” (sort of) around 1998. But Collins left (sort of) in 1996. “Can’t Hurry Love” was long before then in 1982. And his breakout was his first solo album “Face Value” with the hits “In the Air Tonight” and “I Missed Again”. > [@Coriolanus](#): > > and he was doing his cymbal dance I know his tambourine dance (during "I Know What I Like) but I’ve not seen the cymbal dance. ---
**Author:** ![The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_wind_of_my_soul)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/24 "2024-12-31T12:42:58Z")
I’m young enough that hip hop was popular when I was a teen. I didn’t like hip hop, so I started listening to eighties music, and bought a greatest hits album of Phil Collins’ music. “I Wish It Would Rain Down” is unquestionably his most enduring song on my playlists. When I want to get all up in my emotions and belt out a sad song, that part where he sings “But I know in my heart of hearts / I know I’m never going to hold you again” followed by that guitar riff is just perfection and never, ever gets old. A perfect song to cry to when you’re going through a break-up, but also just great music. I’m also a fan of “Something Happened on the Way to Heaven.” And of course, “In the Air Tonight.” ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/25 "2024-12-31T13:15:13Z")
> [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](#): > > hits album of Phil Collins’ music. > > “I Wish It Would Rain Down” is unquestionably his most enduring song on my playlists. When I want to get all up in my emotions and belt out a sad song, that part where he sings “But I know in my heart of hearts / I know I’m never going to hold you again” followed by that guitar riff is just perfection and never, ever gets old. A perfect song to cry to when you’re going through a break-up, but also just great music. Oh man, if you want a sad Phil Collins song, check out “You Know What I Mean” from his first solo album. That song is a real gut-punch. _Just leave, oh leave me alone in my dreams_ _You’ve taken everything else_ _You know what I mean_ [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/_fDbvclLRs8/maxresdefault.jpg "Phil Collins - You Know What I Mean (2016 Remaster)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fDbvclLRs8) ---
**Author:** ![The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_wind_of_my_soul)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/26 "2024-12-31T14:20:20Z")
Oh damn, you’re right. Gut-punch is an apt description for that song! ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/27 "2024-12-31T14:46:49Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > cymbal dance Of course I meant tambourine, man. Back then he always had to be doing something percussive if he wasn’t drumming or singing. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/28 "2024-12-31T15:51:10Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > Genesis “broke up” (sort of) around 1998. But Collins left (sort of) in 1996. “Can’t Hurry Love” was long before then in 1982. That’s the great part about getting old… your memory is as sharp as ever! ---
**Author:** ![xtenkfarpl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/c2a13f/32.png) [@xtenkfarpl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xtenkfarpl)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/29 "2024-12-31T18:17:58Z")
> [@Lucas\_Jackson](#): > > That’s the great part about getting old… your memory is as sharp as ever! Yeah, what he said… um, what did he say again, now…? Rather bad taste actually; one of my oldest friends who used to be about the sharpest and best-educated fellow I ever knew is descending into dementia. It is heartbreaking to see his wife, also a good friend, trying to deal with it. Sorry for hijack… I will shed a tear and bow out of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Coriolanus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coriolanus/32/18769_2.png) [@Coriolanus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coriolanus)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2025, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/30 "2025-01-01T03:14:35Z")
Somewhere in the 80s’s Phil reckoned he didn’t need Rutherford/Banks songs as he had Face Value and the Concorde, helicopters and bringing back the unique experience of John Bonham as if on a whim. “Can’t hurry love” as a highlight? That was a manufactured Motown song and it was written for The Supremes" who do it best. "No Jacket Required? “Sussudio” and I always in my head insert “Rikki” Don’t lose my number. I was going to to say he is - yet it is sadly was - a terrific drummer with great frontman-audience interaction. On “Trick of the Tail” he blasts off with “Dance on a Volcano”, does the light voice in “Entangled” and after the drum solo on “Mad, Mad Moon” his “Hey man! I’m the Sandman! And, boy have I news for you!!” rivals any rock/metal lyric (even if R/B wrote it) - the presentation is spectacular. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/31 "2025-01-05T02:43:30Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Oh man, if you want a sad Phil Collins song, check out “You Know What I Mean” from his first solo album. That song is a real gut-punch. Another good sad song by Phil (with Genesis) is _[More Fool Me](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vndI6ahzM1s)_ from their best album (IMO) _Selling England By The Pound._\* The songwriting credits are for all five members of the band (Banks, Collins, Gabriel, Hackett and Rutherford) but I believe Phil mostly, if not entirely, wrote the lyrics and Rutherford the music. It’s not a “gut punch” and sounds fairly happy–it’s written in a major key. But it’s about Phil’s relationship and break-up troubles, yet again. It’s a different sound for _Genesis_ and a nice little song that’s just Phil singing backed by acoustic guitar (probably Rutherford) A bit of the lyrics from the middle: _And you’d be the one who was laughing_ _Except when things weren’t going your way_ _And then the lady would say that she’d had enough_ _Wandering around on her own._ _The day you left_ _Well I think you knew you’d not be back_ _Well at least it would seem that way_ _Because you never said goodbye._ _But when it comes round to you and me_ _I’m sure it will work out alright._ _And you’d be the one who was laughing_ _And giving me something I don’t need_ _And you know, I’d always hold you and keep you warm_ _Oh! more fool me._ \*If you want to get a good idea of Gabriel-era _Genesis_ at it’s zenith, listen to _Selling England By The Pound._ Now, _The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_ is also an excellent Gabriel-era _Genesis_ album but it’s not nearly as accessible as _Selling England_. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2025, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838/32 "2025-01-05T03:28:30Z")
Too late to add to my last post: _More Fool Me_ was the very first _Genesis_ song sung by Phil Collins. Peter Gabriel was still their lead singer at the time. ETA: oops. Phil’s first lead vocal was _For Absent Friends_ from a few years earlier. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-collins-documentary-youtube/1011838.md?page=1)