# Phil Spector dead **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** celebrity-death\ **Created:** [January 17, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-spector-dead/930741 "2021-01-17T17:22:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-spector-dead/930741/41 "2021-01-18T15:06:36Z")
A madman, a terrible human being and a murderer, but he produced some of the most majestic moments in pop, not to forget his crucial influence on another troubled (but peaceful) genius, Brian Wilson. ---
**Author:** ![Saintly\_Loser](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saintly_loser/32/4045_2.png) [@Saintly\_Loser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saintly_Loser)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-spector-dead/930741/42 "2021-01-18T15:09:00Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Listen to about fifty of Rudy van Gelder’s albums on Blue Note, then come back and ask again. That’s a bit different, I think. van Gelder would have said that he was primarily a recording engineer, trying to capture, not create, the sounds made by the musicians he recorded. Critics might disagree, but that’s how he saw himself. He certainly wasn’t telling, say, John Coltrane how to play on _Blue Train_, or bringing in a bunch of extra session musicians to create a bigger sound for Miles Davis’s legendary quintet, or writing arrangements for the Modern Jazz Quartet. Where as _River Deep Mountain High_, for example, is as much a Phil Spector record as it is a Tina Turner record. Probably even more Spector than Turner. ---
**Author:** ![CoconutPete](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coconutpete/32/5294_2.png) [@CoconutPete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoconutPete)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-spector-dead/930741/43 "2021-01-18T15:18:33Z")
Was watching futurama last night this scene seems fitting to Phil Spector: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/x4venFPPzfs/maxresdefault.jpg "Who Needs Courage, When you have a gun") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4venFPPzfs) ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-spector-dead/930741/44 "2021-01-18T17:25:21Z")
> [@Brayne\_Ded](#): > > Are we back to that? I read somewhere that the current modus operandi is to get a good-looking chick who can more or less sing, put her in front of a microphone and clean up the result with auto-tune, then add a backing track with various electronic beeps and boops. If we’re talking about mainstream pop music, then, yes, we sort of are. There’s a handful of producers (most of them Scandinavian) who are largely responsible for writing and producing a large proportion of pop hits. They write the songs, and decide which singer gets each song. And, they liberally steal from each other, following a particular formula for what makes for a hit song. > **[The Elaborate Charade to Obfuscate Who Writes Pop Music](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/10/hit-charade/403192/)** > > Meet the unknown people behind the best-known songs. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-spector-dead/930741/45 "2021-01-18T17:38:17Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Phil Spector produced the Ramones and Phil Ramone did not. In a perfect world, Phil Ramone would have produced [The Spectres](https://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-spectres-mn0000577272) > [@Brayne\_Ded](#): > > Are we back to that? I read somewhere that the current modus operandi is to get a good-looking chick who can more or less sing, put her in front of a microphone and clean up the result with auto-tune, then add a backing track with various electronic beeps and boops. Very much so in a huge number of cases. Rick Beato explains why songs of today don’t appeal to old rockers for exactly these reasons. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/yDUSFpek0PM/maxresdefault.jpg "Why BOOMERS Hate POP Music") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDUSFpek0PM&t=1281s) . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phil-spector-dead/930741.md?page=2)