# Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto With $2.25B Roundup Verdict for One Case of Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philadelphia-jury-hits-monsanto-with-2-25b-roundup-verdict-for-one-case-of-non-hodgkin-lymphoma/996760
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**Created:** [January 28, 2024, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philadelphia-jury-hits-monsanto-with-2-25b-roundup-verdict-for-one-case-of-non-hodgkin-lymphoma/996760 "2024-01-28T06:57:28Z")
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### Author:  [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2024, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philadelphia-jury-hits-monsanto-with-2-25b-roundup-verdict-for-one-case-of-non-hodgkin-lymphoma/996760/1 "2024-01-28T06:57:28Z")
> **[Philadelphia Jury Hits Monsanto With $2.25B Roundup Verdict | The Legal...](https://www.law.com/thelegalintelligencer/2024/01/26/philadelphia-jury-hits-monsanto-with-2-25b-roundup-verdict/?slreturn=20240027224706)**
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> The award appears to be the largest Roundup verdict yet, taking over a spot previously held by a $2 billion verdict reached in 2019.
This is a crazily high verdict.
Previous discussion here seemed to suggest that the data supporting this was doubtful. Any thoughts?
> [@Key data on glyphosate concealed from WHO cancer panel](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/key-data-on-glyphosate-concealed-from-who-cancer-panel/789109):
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> After all the fuss and angst over an IARC ruling that glyphosate (Roundup) is a “probable carcinogen” (leading to calls for a ban on the herbicide and multiple lawsuits), it turns out that important research was withheld from the panel that made the ruling. [A Reuters investigative report](http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/glyphosate-cancer-data/) found that a researcher who was part of the deliberations knew of long-delayed but unpublished data from a National Cancer Institute study which showed no cancer link. Questions are also being raised about why …
> [@I use Roundup {split from leveling pavers}](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-use-roundup-split-from-leveling-pavers/965019):
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> I spray the weeds with Round Up. A sand bed is a great base for landscape blocks.
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2024, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philadelphia-jury-hits-monsanto-with-2-25b-roundup-verdict-for-one-case-of-non-hodgkin-lymphoma/996760/2 "2024-01-28T07:34:23Z")
> [@PastTense](#):
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> This is a crazily high verdict.
It is.
But most of the people who use Roundup use it carelessly, and use too much. This is egged on by their own ads which shows a guy spraying down a single plant coming out of the concrete crack with several/many sprays. No, just go over and dig it out- or hell, let it be.
The average homeowner does not need Roundup, but that is how they pushed it.
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### Author:  [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2024, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philadelphia-jury-hits-monsanto-with-2-25b-roundup-verdict-for-one-case-of-non-hodgkin-lymphoma/996760/3 "2024-01-28T10:53:05Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> The average homeowner does not need Roundup
The plaintiff here wasn’t an “average homeowner”, he was a landscaper who used Roundup constantly. So was the plaintiff in the previous case. I have no opinion on whether or not Roundup may be hazardous in some circumstances but your comment just isn’t relevant here.
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### Author:  [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philadelphia-jury-hits-monsanto-with-2-25b-roundup-verdict-for-one-case-of-non-hodgkin-lymphoma/996760/4 "2024-01-28T21:40:21Z")
The lawyers to Monsanto:
[ ](https://i.imgur.com/UccGnoD.jpeg)
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### Author:  [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philadelphia-jury-hits-monsanto-with-2-25b-roundup-verdict-for-one-case-of-non-hodgkin-lymphoma/996760/5 "2024-01-28T21:52:36Z")
What’s the reasoning for such a high amount, and is it likely to stand up on appeal? “Actual damages”, even for a death, is usually reckoned somewhere in the millions of dollars, not billions, and punitive damages are usually within an order of magnitude of the actual damages.
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### Author:  [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)
#### Post date: [January 28, 2024, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philadelphia-jury-hits-monsanto-with-2-25b-roundup-verdict-for-one-case-of-non-hodgkin-lymphoma/996760/6 "2024-01-28T21:53:45Z")
Bayer buying Monsanto was one of the worst ideas ever. It raised the expression “dumb German money” to stratospheric levels.