# Philip Pullman's The Book of Dust trilogy **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 29, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448 "2019-08-29T23:58:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/1 "2019-08-29T23:58:20Z")
_ **There will be open spoilers in this thread!!!** _\* The first book was published in 2017 and is called _La Belle Sauvage_. I hope that other people are reading or have read this; I know we have a lot of fans of Mr. Pullman’s previous trilogy, _His Dark Materials_, here on the Dope. The second book, _The Secret Commonwealth_, is due in just over a month. I actually purchased this some months ago but it languished as I took care of other books and other projects. When I did start it a few weeks ago, I was in no hurry and the book seemed okay with that. I found the characters and story interesting but not arresting and so every couple of days I’d read another chapter and then put the book down to reflect and digest. As I said, the book seemed fine with this: the plot is slow and fairly mundane as we get to know Malcolm and his world and the other people in it (including Lyra, of course). There’s some intrigue and danger what with the secret religious police and all, but it’s a fairly low-key story. Until Chapter 15, that is. I read Chapters 15-25 in a blur of a couple of hours this morning. The pace of the story, the danger of the setting, the resolve and growth of the characters, all went from well-under-the-speed-limit to the-bus-from-_Speed_ in less than two pages and by Og the flood grabbed me right up with the characters. The only part I thought was weird, like it stuck out to me, was the the bit with Diania. It just seemed forced and like an aside, as if Mr. Pullman had an idea and wrote it well but then couldn’t bear to part with it, despite it having no real bearing on the story at all. I loved the growth and change within and regarding Alice. I didn’t like her at the beginning of the book (as intended) and was genuinely surprised when it was Sister Katarina and not her who compromised the priory. I loved the way that she and Malcolm grew closer and closer; it felt natural and realistic to me. I am still concerned about Mr. Taproot and wish that his fate was described in the book; I am doubtful that it will be given in either of the next two volumes. I am at the moment disheartened by the knowledge that the next two books will take place well after the events of not just _La Belle Sauvage_, but well after the events described in _His Dark Materials_. Also, I’m not at all sure that either Malcolm or Alice is a part of this next book, and I really liked them both. I’d like to read more about them but I don’t know that they’d fit with the story of Lyra at 20 years old (they’d be in their early and mid-30s). Also, the way that _LBS_ ended, it kind of clears the way to keep them clear of the storyline, doesn’t it? Seems a shame to waste good characters like that, tho… 😃 Also, for fun, I got the Collector’s Edition so I could enjoy some pictures with my novel and I have to say, the work done by Chris Wormell is fantastic and was a wonderful addition to my reading experience. I kept looking for the kind of things that prequels do that fuck up the original work, but I didn’t really spot anything glaringly obvious, so kudos to Mr. Pullman for that. All-in-all, I give this book an enthusiastic “thumbs up”; I’ve pre-ordered the next book and am now prepped and primed for it. Anyone else read this? Like it? Hate it? Let’s talk about it! ---
**Author:** ![Made\_in\_Macau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@Made\_in\_Macau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Made_in_Macau)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/2 "2019-08-30T13:21:24Z")
Absolutely loved it. Will discuss more when I have time but just to add - I haven’t read it - Michael Sheen read it to me, and my oh my what a fantastic job he made of it. You should ask him to read it to you too! MiM ---
**Author:** ![SurrenderDorothy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/surrenderdorothy/32/1221_2.png) [@SurrenderDorothy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SurrenderDorothy)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/3 "2019-08-30T22:53:29Z")
I read it not long after it came out and loved it. I’ll have to read it again, actually- I don’t remember Diania at all. I looked it up and it sounds vaguely familiar, but tells me that I need to re-read the book. Next book in just over a month, you say? I’ll be on the lookout! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/4 "2019-09-07T02:43:27Z")
It seems I have greatly over-estimated the appeal of Mr. Pullman’s work to my fellow Dopers. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/5 "2019-09-07T02:55:34Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > It seems I have greatly over-estimated the appeal of Mr. Pullman’s work to my fellow Dopers. I just saw this thread. Mr. Pullman’s work appeals to me enough that I am interested in this new trilogy and think I want to read it eventually, so I will not be participating in this “open spoilers” thread any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2019, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/6 "2019-09-07T05:20:09Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > It seems I have greatly over-estimated the appeal of Mr. Pullman’s work to my fellow Dopers. I like his writing okay( I don’t much like his public persona, he comes off as an arrogant ass in the press ). But I didn’t even know these books existed. So thanks for letting me know - I’ll be giving them a try at some point :). ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_First_Time)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/7 "2019-09-08T02:18:14Z")
I listened to it on CD and loved it, there are some books that are greatly enhanced by a good actor reading the parts and this is one of them. I recently discovered Michael Sheen by watching Good Omens - he was a great choice for narrator and added a lot to the book. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/8 "2019-09-08T03:09:25Z")
I don’t enjoy listening to other people read, but I have many friends who do and I’ll be sure to recommend Mr. Sheen’s performance to them. I mean, so far 3 of us have experienced the book and 2 of those 3 were happily listening to Mr. Sheen; that’s a pretty strong “thumbs up”. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/9 "2020-01-01T19:19:57Z")
I finally found the time to read _The Secret Commonwealth_! This is a massive tome. Several times things happened that I did not foresee. I always enjoy the strange little encounters that seem to have nothing else to do with the story (because lots of times they don’t) and this book did not disappoint in that regard.The entire scene in Prague was simply mind-blowing for me, for instance. I do wish I had taken the time to re-read all of _The Subtle Knife_ books before I began this one. They reference events from there quite a bit and it was a struggle to remember them for myself and not simply accept what was written before me. I would have liked a better recollection, so that my memory matched the intensity of the characters’ memories more closely. I’d give this one an 8/10 whereas I thought _La Belle Sauvage_ was a 10/10. Anyone else get to this yet? What did you think of it? ---
**Author:** ![Made\_in\_Macau](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eada6e/32.png) [@Made\_in\_Macau](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Made_in_Macau)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/10 "2020-01-01T19:47:52Z")
I think I liked it as much as La Belle S, perhaps a little more. I loved Lyra as a young woman and thought her character was really well drawn, and the refugee stories were powerful. I’m going to listen to them both again soon (James Ellroy is in the way, and he’s a LARGE obstacle). I wonder if anyone can answer a general question for me. In La Belle Savage when Lyra is a baby, Malcolm is told by a nun that her daemon’s name is Pantalaimon. How do they know? How does a daemon get a name? I had assumed the person amed them, or when old enough to speak they told their human what their name was, but no. Wikipaedia doesn’t help. I’d encourage anyone thinking about these books to read them. MiM ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/11 "2020-01-01T20:05:16Z")
> [@Made\_in\_Macau](#): > > I think I liked it as much as La Belle S, perhaps a little more. I loved Lyra as a young woman and thought her character was really well drawn, and the refugee stories were powerful. I’m going to listen to them both again soon (James Ellroy is in the way, and he’s a LARGE obstacle). > I wonder if anyone can answer a general question for me. In La Belle Savage when Lyra is a baby, Malcolm is told by a nun that her daemon’s name is Pantalaimon. How do they know? How does a daemon get a name? I had assumed the person amed them, or when old enough to speak they told their human what their name was, but no. Wikipaedia doesn’t help. > I’d encourage anyone thinking about these books to read them. > MiM From this Wikipedia article, near the end on Lifespan [Dæmon (His Dark Materials) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A6mon_(His_Dark_Materials)#Lifespan) > [@](#): > > How a dæmon acquires a name is not explained in the books, but clarified by Philip Pullman[8] as being normally given by the parents’ dæmons. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philip-pullmans-the-book-of-dust-trilogy/839448/12 "2020-01-01T20:09:41Z")
Thanks for info, **ITD**. I think I had assumed that dæmons came into existence knowing their own name.