# Philly swimming pool kicks out black kids, "doesn't allow minorities" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 8, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355 "2009-07-08T19:15:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/221 "2009-07-09T19:40:58Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > I think this says a lot about you. I don’t give a damn that you can’t seem to address me or anybody else without insulting them. But when it comes to insulting someone’s family, that’s crossing a line. A BIG line. Your momma so fat, she crosses that line by bending space-time itself. BTW, I now picture you as some cheap Tony Soprano knockoff: “Eh! Oh!” ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/222 "2009-07-09T19:42:50Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > It sounds like he’s a chickenshit, just not a racist chickenshit. He also has a poor turn of phrase. Well, given that he is presumably employed at the behest of the members, I’m not sure what exactly he could have done to overrule them. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/223 "2009-07-09T19:44:24Z")
> [@ivn1188](#): > > Your momma so fat, she crosses that line by bending space-time itself. Yo momma so dumb, she congratulated you on your law degree! Wait, you’re a lawyer, right? I mean, I seem to remember you mentioning the fact once or twice here. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/224 "2009-07-09T19:50:16Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > some comments on this article > Give. me. a. fucking. break. And crack open a Webster’s. Oh, shit - Webster was the name of a 1980’s sitcom about a black adopted kid. I guess the PC police will have to issue a citation. Indeed. All 11-year-olds should “crack open a Webster’s” and learn the secondary, nuanced meanings of words whose more common meanings are used in reference to skin color, and stop being such stupid little pussies. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/225 "2009-07-09T19:53:00Z")
> [@Philster](#): > > And the kids who showed up might have been a bunch a crazed, pool-starved kids who didn’t understand the sedated club mentality. Then they should have mixed them a few martinis so they would blend right in. ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/226 "2009-07-09T20:03:02Z")
The board of directors of this pool may well have contracted to let the camp group in at a certain time for a certain price but I bet they didn’t get approval from every single person member of the pool. I can only imagine the outrage at my pool if 65 kids showed up one afternoon when all the (member) moms are there with their precious darlings. I’ve seen some bitter disputes at Saturday morning swim meets, which are well advertised, when a parent shows up with junior only to be turned away. The politics of a private pool are not pretty. Here is the DC area, spring time bring bus loads of kids from across the nation for week long visits. Those groups contract with the local public rec center pools to give the kids some pool time, for something to do. The reaction of some people to a couple of busses disgorging kids into “their” pool is often not pretty and it’s not really race - it’s about people not liking kids, or at least not strange kids, in large numbers. I have heard some nasty comments from people. Most of the time the kids are white, mid-west types so I haven’t heard anything too racial but I wouldn’t be surprised if some douche-bags went there. Of course, the pool in question may well have douche-bags that just happen to be racists too. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/227 "2009-07-09T20:08:50Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > And I thought Lester Maddox was dead. You just echoed the argument of just about every racist piece of trash who wanted to keep them black people out of their lily-white restaurants. > > Kicking minority children out for being a minority is not within the bounds of the law as I understand it. Did you miss the “notwithstanding any racism” sentence that she herself penned at the beginning of my quotation. She is blatantly saying this: Ok, so maybe it’s not racism (step 1) But they’re beeing greedy anyways (step 2 [the step that i was commenting on]) So you can go take your sanctimony and jump off the deep end of a pool with it. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/228 "2009-07-09T20:11:29Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Indeed. All 11-year-olds should “crack open a Webster’s” and learn the secondary, nuanced meanings of words whose more common meanings are used in reference to skin color, and stop being such stupid little pussies. No, but the parents should not knee-jerkingly parrot their child’s possibly misconstrued notion of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/229 "2009-07-09T20:12:07Z")
I searched for “Notwithstanding any racism” and found nothing. Where is this part of the quotation? ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/230 "2009-07-09T20:13:48Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I searched for “Notwithstanding any racism” and found nothing. Where is this part of the quotation? > [@](#): > > \*\*So, maybe race, \*\*for some members, **has nothing to do with why Creative Steps was kicked out.** > > Maybe they’re just greedy. I mean was that so hard? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/231 "2009-07-09T20:17:19Z")
Snark aside, no, but it did come across like you were saying that the woman quoted (whose son was upset) was the one saying that. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/232 "2009-07-09T20:23:46Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > I mean was that so hard? No. But it does not include the words “notwithstanding,” “any,” or “racism.” You know, those words that you placed in quotation marks? As if you were quoting them? Also, the phrases you highlighted do not mean “notwithstanding any racism.” Other than that, you’re spot on. ---
**Author:** ![ivn1188](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e480ec/32.png) [@ivn1188](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivn1188)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/233 "2009-07-09T20:24:57Z")
> [@Duke](#): > > Yo momma so dumb, she congratulated you on your law degree! > > Wait, you’re a lawyer, right? I mean, I seem to remember you mentioning the fact once or twice here. What are you even talking about? I’m simply pointing out that I perceive your statement that insulting family “crosses a BIG line” as ridiculous. My qualifications or lack thereof have no bearing upon your hypersensitivity about your wife’s infidelities with objectivists. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/234 "2009-07-09T20:32:30Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > No. But it does not include the words “notwithstanding,” “any,” or “racism.” You know, those words that you placed in quotation marks? As if you were quoting them? > > Also, the phrases you highlighted do not mean “notwithstanding any racism.” > > Other than that, you’re spot on. Quotation marks aren’t necessarily used to quote someone. And, yes they do notwithstanding any racism = in spite of any racism = in disregard of any racism ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/235 "2009-07-09T20:42:12Z")
Quotation marks are, however, often used to quote someone when you _are_ quoting someone. Which you were. ---
**Author:** ![Rumor\_Watkins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@Rumor\_Watkins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rumor_Watkins)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/236 "2009-07-09T20:49:15Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Quotation marks are, however, often used to quote someone when you _are_ quoting someone. Which you were. that quotation mark usage was making reference to the entire sentence, in effect ascribing a shorthand name to it. most people can pick up on that usage. (edit: especially when i mentioned exactly what i was referring to when i said “at the beginning of my quotation”) ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/237 "2009-07-09T20:55:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Quotation marks are, however, often used to quote someone when you _are_ quoting someone. Which you were. Good god. Quotation marks are also used for other “things” for example. ---
**Author:** ![not\_alice](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_alice/32/7283_2.png) [@not\_alice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_alice)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/238 "2009-07-09T21:32:53Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Good god. > > Quotation marks are also used for other “things” for example. heh heh. he said “things” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/239 "2009-07-09T21:38:28Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > > [@Really Not All That Bright](#): > > > > Quotation marks are, however, often used to quote someone when you are quoting someone. Which you were. > > that quotation mark usage was making reference to the entire sentence, in effect ascribing a shorthand name to it. most people can pick up on that usage. (edit: especially when i mentioned exactly what i was referring to when i said “at the beginning of my quotation”) Yo dawg I herd u liek quotin ppl so I put some quotes in ur quotes so you can cite ppl while you quote them! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355/240 "2009-07-09T23:32:02Z")
> [@Rumor\_Watkins](#): > > Did you miss the “notwithstanding any racism” sentence that she herself penned at the beginning of my quotation. > > She is blatantly saying this: > > Ok, so maybe it’s not racism (step 1) > But they’re beeing greedy anyways (step 2 [the step that i was commenting on]) > So you can go take your sanctimony and jump off the deep end of a pool with it. I was commenting on this: > [@](#): > > and some neo-communist drivel that finds it reprehensible that private property owners can choose to do whatever the hell they want within the bounds of the law. I’m not sure what to make of the end of the column you linked to. I don’t think it is very clear, certainly not clear enough to get upset about. However the sentiment that it is awful that some business owners are forced to let those people into their private businesses is one I used to hear quite a bit - in the early 1960s. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/philly-swimming-pool-kicks-out-black-kids-doesnt-allow-minorities/502355.md?page=13)