# Phlosphr goes to Court for a good cause. Disturbing incident.. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 7, 2003, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662 "2003-05-07T14:20:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/1 "2003-05-07T14:20:36Z")
**History** To make a long story short in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=170629) thread, I describe how I was walking around the outlet stores with Mrs.Phlosphr when we were witness to a most heinous crime. Before us about 20 feet were a boy (teenager) with **Down Syndrome** and a mild form of **MS**. He was walking with a _group home worker_. He was not keeping up with her, and she proceeded to say: > [@](#): > > The woman stopped, grabbed him by the hair and yanked him until he fell to his knees… Looking down at him she proceeded to yell, “Get the fuck up! Can’t you keep up with me! Good Christ put your fucking coat on.” Naturally, I was completely beside myself with Anger. One thing led to another and charges were forged and the woman was dismissed, only to come back at the group home with a wrongful dissmissal suit. So I was phoned last week and asked if I would go to court and re-tell my tale of abuse and horror. They are not ready for me, I’m going to tell all the details as it happened, and that lady will wish she never brought the suit. My time in court is at 1 p.m. today. I have always stood up for the underdog, but this poor kid was waaay under the stack when it came to defending himself. I can not believe the depth of human cruelty sometimes. I am a teacher, and I will make it a point to bring this case up to my Psych 100 students in the fall. My wife will be joining me in the courthouse and we will both stand up for the poor kid. His mother will be there as will the district Nurse, regional admin etc…etc… I’ll post back to this thread with more. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/2 "2003-05-07T14:26:10Z")
You. Rock. ---
**Author:** ![lauramarlane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a5b964/32.png) [@lauramarlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lauramarlane)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/3 "2003-05-07T14:29:44Z")
People truly amaze me at times. I could barely get my head around the fact that someone actually treated another person in this fashion, but to think she actually had the nerve to bring a wrongful dismissal suit against the home is unbelieveable. You and your wife are to be commended for stepping forward and fighting for the rights of this poor boy. ---
**Author:** ![screech-owl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@screech-owl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/screech-owl)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/4 "2003-05-07T14:31:46Z")
Thanks for getting involved. And staying involved. Kepp us posted. ---
**Author:** ![Velma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/85e7bf/32.png) [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/5 "2003-05-07T14:55:25Z")
Good for you for following through. A lot of people wouldn’t take it this far and gotten out of it when it became inconvenient for them. I remember the first thread and I was wondering whatever happened to that woman. ---
**Author:** ![Gazelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Gazelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gazelle)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/6 "2003-05-07T15:16:38Z")
Goosebumps. **Phlosphr** , you go for it. Please tell us about the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![TaxGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@TaxGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TaxGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/7 "2003-05-07T15:48:10Z")
Jesus man. Had I witnessed what you witnessed I’d be in court too, but I’d probably be wearing an orange jumpsuit at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Marconi\_Schmeese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Marconi\_Schmeese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marconi_Schmeese)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/8 "2003-05-07T16:41:03Z")
I thanked you in the first thread and I will thank you again. YOU ARE AWESOME! {{{Phlosphr}}} I hope that evil bitch loses her job and pays dearly for what she did to that poor boy and Og only knows who else. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Mithril](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mithril/32/3517_2.png) [@Mithril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithril)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/9 "2003-05-07T16:42:45Z")
Thanks for defending somebody easily picked on. Good for you! ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/10 "2003-05-07T16:47:03Z")
Oh, please tell us how it turns out! Then, let’s hope the Group Home turns around and sues her for filing a nuisance suit, and the boy’s family sues her for inflicting general pain and distress, and you sue her for your time… ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/11 "2003-05-07T16:51:07Z")
I now have a (purely platonic) crush on \*\* Phlosphr\*\* You’re my new hero. Now nail her sorry ass to the wall. . ---
**Author:** ![GaryM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garym/32/241_2.png) [@GaryM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaryM)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/12 "2003-05-07T17:40:46Z")
Nail her good! hooray for you! ---
**Author:** ![\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/_/7cd45c/32.png) [@\_Deep\_F\_ied](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/_Deep_F_ied)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/13 "2003-05-07T18:37:40Z")
Give her hell **Phlosphr and MrsPhlosphr**!! My day seems somehow brighter just knowing that justice will be served. ---
**Author:** ![porcupine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ac91a4/32.png) [@porcupine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/porcupine)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/14 "2003-05-07T18:47:08Z")
Thanks for getting involved. ---
**Author:** ![Peg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b38774/32.png) [@Peg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peg)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/15 "2003-05-07T18:51:03Z")
Good for you and the Mrs! The nerve of some people… grrr! Oh, and for her bravery and dedication to right the injustices of the world and _obviously_ for her wonderful taste in men, I say that MrsPhlosphr should be rewarded with say… a cat? _runs quickly_ ---
**Author:** ![Olentzero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90ced4/32.png) [@Olentzero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Olentzero)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/16 "2003-05-07T19:00:44Z")
Here’s hoping the case goes well. Looking forward to hearing the results when you get back in! ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/17 "2003-05-07T19:09:53Z")
Well the depth of human cruelty can go pretty low, but you **Phlosphr** balance it out. Good Luck. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/18 "2003-05-07T19:50:24Z")
!!WEW!! Mrs.Phlosphr and I just returned. Things went well. I was under the impression I was going to be put on a stand and asked to tell a story. Tell a story I did, but put on a stand I wasn’t. We met with the woman in question - who didn’t even have the decency to dress appropriately - state’s union lawyer, District Nurse, Regional Administrator, two employees at the home, the Judge, the homes Lawyer, and my wife and I. Starting off we found out that the suit had to do with the home, and not the incident in question. The woman was pissed that she did not get three strikes, only 2. As a **Union** employee, she was protected by certain laws, and a proper paper trail must exist. She had been written up previously at a seperate facility for negligence, and twice at the current home, once for negligence once for the incident in question. The three strike rule only applies to one facility, and the way this particular nursing pool works if a nurse has a problem they change the facility they are at to lower cost to the company, so they don’t have to hire someone else. After a half hour of listening to the union attorney say his piece the judge asked me to tell my story. I told them all the extent of the heinousness of the crime and looked directly at the lady and said, " You are lucky you are not in jail for assault!" I was prompty told to calm down and not speak directly to the plaintif. We found out later that the woman had not gone back to another facility, but started collecting unemployment. She was suing for lost wages, and grief. Greif, **GRIEF**!!! You have got to be kidding me… Anyway after saying my piece and looking directly at the judge then the union attorney, and saying," If you had seen the look on **billy’s** face when _ **heinous woman** _ yelled at him, and pushed him to the ground by his hair, we would not be sitting here right now, and _ **heinous woman** _ would be legitimately put behind bars. This is a criminal event. Had a figure of authority been there to witness it, she’d have been handcuffed and that would be the end of it. But in this state we pay her unemployment, and let her sue the facility that housed the young man she assaulted…" I shook my head and looked away in disgust. My wife piped in her account, and dealing with the supervising nurse in the days after the event. The judge and union attorney and the homes attorney chatted for a bit, and the judge stopped the case from going any further. He took the write up at the previous institution counted that as _his_ third strike. The woman was granted nothing. **Heinous woman** is a leech, and would suck any free benefit dry until there was no more to give her, then she’d turn her attention to another state I am sure. New England is not only too conservative to attempt to rehabilitate someone of her character. The only other place Mrs.Phlosphr and I have lived was in Arizona, that was when we were in Graduate School. If this had happened there, _heinous woman_ would be behind bars sitting in Tent City. I have lost something today though. My illusions - or delusions- that people can turn themselves around, become better people, not suck life from innocents. Because that’s exactly what HW did. She stooped to a new - or maybe not so new - low. I’ll not preach, because I am not a preacher. But it takes two seconds to change the outcome of something from being bad to maybe not so bad. And the feeling obtained from this is euphoric, yet at the same time quite gut wrenching. A cat may be coming to the Phlosphr household soon 😉 thanks **Peg** ---
**Author:** ![swampbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampbear/32/467_2.png) [@swampbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampbear)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/19 "2003-05-07T20:05:40Z")
**Phlosphr** , the Missus and you have just become two of my personal heros. **HW** is indeed a leech as well as bitch from hell. I am so glad the two of you went the distance for this guy. I work in human services. Matter of fact, we operate group homes and apartment facilities for persons with disabilities. I can guarantee you that if any personal care staff acted even one-tenth as bad as that bitch did, not only would he/she not have a job, but would never have a job in this field again for as long as I could track down the whereabouts of said person. Thanks y’all for sticking up for somebody who needed you. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Marko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58956e/32.png) [@El\_Marko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Marko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662/20 "2003-05-07T20:27:35Z")
Three cheers for Phlosphr and the Missus! Sorry you had to go through that, but I’m glad to see some people still have a sense of right and wrong in this country. It’s also nice to hear that the justice system still works occasionally. Good on ya! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phlosphr-goes-to-court-for-a-good-cause-disturbing-incident/173662.md?page=2)