# Phyllis Schlafly dead at 92 - Does anybody care? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 5, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155 "2016-09-05T23:58:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/201 "2016-09-09T23:02:07Z")
Extreme? Has there ever been a liberal communist dictator who didn’t murder millions of their own citizens for not hewing to the party line? Well, except Castro I mean, since he didn’t have all that large a population to work with in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/202 "2016-09-09T23:04:49Z")
Extreme? Has there ever been a liberal communist dictator who didn’t murder millions of their own citizens for not hewing to the party line? (Well, except for Castro that is, since he didn’t have all that large a population to work with in the first place.) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/203 "2016-09-09T23:06:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Extreme? Has there ever been a liberal communist dictator who didn’t murder millions of their own citizens for not hewing to the party line? (Well, except for Castro that is, since he didn’t have all that large a population to work with in the first place.) Judging by some of my co-workers, Obama fits this description. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/204 "2016-09-09T23:15:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Extreme? Has there ever been a liberal communist dictator . . . No. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/205 "2016-09-09T23:17:35Z")
Well, OK, how about a Libertarian dictator? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/206 "2016-09-09T23:20:35Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The claim that liberals are the ones that refuse to be flexible is risible. The Left has done nothing but bend for decades. Only a conservative could define “Do it my way or else!” as compromise on the part of the Right. But here, in this thread, it’s the liberals who advance the position that their disagreement with Schafly’s aims is enough to justify vilifying her, and here oin this board in the Kennedy thread, a considerable sample of conservatives who disagreed with Kennedy’s aims could still praise him. I’m not talking about the population of the country. I’m talking about the population of HERE. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/207 "2016-09-09T23:22:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Of course it is, or at least your inaccurate take on it, because your rhetorical skills are limited. The only problem in this case is that you were instantly called on it, forcing you to try to salvage a pathetic “No, that’s not what I meant” attempt at evasion, like a bad comedian who tries to come up with a different punchline after the hecklers interrupt with “yeah, yeah, ‘to get to the other side.’ BOOOO! YOU SUCK!” My conclusion is you don’t really understand what hypocrisy is. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/208 "2016-09-09T23:24:11Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Here’s where I disagree. Her tactics were slimy. She lied, called names, distorted the truth, and was cruel to people. She pressed the fire-alarm when the building wasn’t burning. She created fear, deliberately and dishonestly. > > It is possible to have opposed the ERA in an honorable fashion. But Schlafly didn’t do that. The only specific lie that I recall imputed to her was the same-sex restroom, and the discussion in this thread made it clear that her position was arguably correct – enough so that it’s not fair to call it a lie. What other lies do you lay at her feet? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/209 "2016-09-10T00:51:47Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > My conclusion is you don’t really understand what hypocrisy is. I know you know this to be a lie. Thing is, you’ve gone to the “liberal hypocrisy” well so often that it’s become ridiculous easy to predict when you’re about to do so again, and your first post in this thread was a classic example. What was your planned follow-up? You were expecting respondents to say “Oh, no, us liberals only critimacize peoples who derserve it, irregardless of politiks, derp!” and you’d zap us with proof of liberal hypocrisy? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/210 "2016-09-10T01:26:32Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The only specific lie that I recall imputed to her was the same-sex restroom, and the discussion in this thread made it clear that her position was arguably correct – enough so that it’s not fair to call it a lie. Where the fuck do you get that? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/211 "2016-09-10T04:59:23Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I know you know this to be a lie. Thing is, you’ve gone to the “liberal hypocrisy” well so often that it’s become ridiculous easy to predict when you’re about to do so again, and your first post in this thread was a classic example. What was your planned follow-up? You were expecting respondents to say “Oh, no, us liberals only critimacize peoples who derserve it, irregardless of politiks, derp!” and you’d zap us with proof of liberal hypocrisy? That’s not accurate. Your argument is, “You accused liberals of hypocrisy, and my proof is that I know you were about to!” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/212 "2016-09-10T05:00:24Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Where the fuck do you get that? Get what? You know you’re not charged by the letter here, right? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/213 "2016-09-10T05:14:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Get what? > > You know you’re not charged by the letter here, right? That her position was arguably correct? There was nothing at all in the ERA that would have led to such a change, any more than the first protects mobs, libel or ritual sacrifice. And nothing in this thread suggests that all or even any liberals here would have been spearheading such a change. History has shown that changes to the Constitution do not result in dramatic, unintended consequences. She easily could have researched that, in hopes that history would bolster her case, but it does not. So, if she did do the research, then she was indisputably lying. And if she did not do the research, she was spewing spew, which is not effectively any different from lying. Life does not cut you slack for being ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/214 "2016-09-10T05:36:36Z")
Your definition of terms is self-serving, loaded dice. “Arguably correct” depends only on whether or not you continue to argue. Hell, you could even flounce off in a huff, refusing to lower yourself to such standards and claim winning! Because nobody ever totally proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt down the last micron of uncertainty, that you are wrong… AND got you to admit it. Twenty miles of bad road. You’re offering Republican Poker, where you get seven cards, I get five, all mine are face up and you get to draw twice. And the punch line is how deeply offended you are if we don’t buy it! She was an odious public figure, not simply an unpleasant person. She was a public scold with a puritanical pickle up her butt. She didn’t care what I thought of her before she died, and she doesn’t care now. Maybe when I get to Hell, I’ll say howdy. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/215 "2016-09-10T06:07:44Z")
History shows that once liberals, especially liberal judges, get their hands on the Constitution, all bets are off as to what it actually says. And one of the advantages of not being a liberal is having the ability to watch from without and observe how liberals behave. The reason this is an advantage is that liberals themselves are often either blind or ignorant as to how they really behave. So we on the outside are able to observe the phenomenon of how liberals somehow never seem satisfied. Nothing is ever good enough and nothing ever goes far enough to suit them. Enough is enough is a concept with which they are utterly unfamiliar. So having this outside perspective often allows conservatives to predict liberal behavior ahead of the time that liberals themselves actually begin to engage in it. So, knowing all this, it isn’t a stretch in the minds of people like Phyllis Schlafly that once sexual equality arrives in the form of a constitutional, liberals, in their never-ending quest to take things too far, may very well arrive at the point where they view sexually segregated bathrooms as discriminatory…“Why can’t women use the same restrooms as men? The fact they can’t is sexist and relegates them to second-class citizenship!”, etc., etc., etc. From there it’s a short hop to endless liberal whinging and attempts to bring the adoption of unisex bathrooms to their lackeys in the judiciary. And from there it’s a short hop to judicial findings which hold that sexually segregated bathrooms are indeed discriminatory and are therefore banned. So you see, when looked at in that light it’s easy to envision how people in the early 70s might foresee that the ERA and endless liberal activism could very well lead to the adoption of unisex bathrooms, and the fact that liberals are embracing them so eagerly now is an indicator that they would have embraced them just as eagerly in the past should the ERA have led to attempts to outlaw the existing sexually segregated bathrooms. This is why some of this thread’s posters feel that even though the ERA didn’t specifically call for unisex bathrooms, and despite the fact that unisex bathrooms now are being supported primarily in service to transgenderism, the very nature of liberalism itself (in this country, anyway) would have eventually led to demands for unisex bathrooms anyway despite the fact that transgenderism had yet to become an issue. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/216 "2016-09-10T06:20:17Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > … liberals … liberal … liberal … liberals … liberal … liberals … liberals … liberal … liberal … liberals … liberalism … what? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/217 "2016-09-10T06:32:50Z")
First thing I wanted was equality in changing stations, I was flying solo with the baby, additional support personnel not available. So, I hung around the Womens, nobody came out for a while, I made my move. Besides, had it down to a science, like changing tires at Indy…rolling, stop, whip strip zip, rolling, twenty seven seconds flat! except the time I pinned my thumb to the diaper, but I digress… Not having probs, then a dainty woman of mature years walked in, chuckled a bit and stood patiently by. Swear it looked like she was supervising, checking to see if I knew what I was doing! > [@](#): > > …despite the fact that transgenderism had yet to become an issue. Doesn’t have to be one now, shrug it off. Make life a little easier for people who aren’t doing any harm, and keep on keepin’ on. Why not, there’s not enough to get uptight about, we got to make shit up? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/218 "2016-09-10T06:41:41Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > So, knowing all this, it isn’t a stretch in the minds of people like Phyllis Schlafly that once sexual equality arrives in the form of a constitutional, liberals, in their never-ending quest to take things too far, may very well arrive at the point where they view sexually segregated bathrooms as discriminatory…“Why can’t women use the same restrooms as men? The fact they can’t is sexist and relegates them to second-class citizenship!”, etc., etc., etc. From there it’s a short hop to endless liberal whinging and attempts to bring the adoption of unisex bathrooms to their lackeys in the judiciary. Back in another thread someone was talking about how protecting natural formations in national parks was moronic. It lookad as if that was the dummest thing posted in the SDMB. But that is wrong, this one is. No one in government or the courts has demanded that women use the same restrooms, the issue is about transexual people. What you are talking about here is an attmpt to justify the trolling Republican behavior that, unlike your imaginary point made, it is based on real predictable Republican trollery. > **[Conservative Trolls Encourage Men to Enter Women's Restrooms | The Mary Sue](https://www.themarysue.com/conservative-trolls-trans-protest/)** > > A group of conservative trolls is encouraging men to go into women's restrooms and locker rooms as a demonstration against transgender bathroom protections. > [@](#): > > Conservative Trolls Encourage Men to Enter Women’s Restrooms to Protest Trans Protections > [@](#): > > The scary thing is that this suggestion doesn’t stand alone. The other day, I shared the story about SB 6443’s demise, which would have barred the protections currently in place around trans people and proper bathroom usage. In a Facebook event page encouraging people to show support for the bill, one commenter suggested the same thing: that “a group of men should go ‘occupy’ all the women’s restrooms in the building to prove the point that men should not be welcome there.” > > These two aren’t isolated incidents, either. In yesterday’s story about South Dakota becoming the first state to pass its anti-transgender bathroom law, I mentioned that there was an incident in which, according to Seattle local news, a man entered the women’s changing facility at a public pool in Seattle and stated that his presence in the locker room was protected by law. “The law has changed,” the man said, “and I have a right to be here.” > > The list goes on and on, and the amount of people suggesting such an outrageously ignorant “protest” grows by the day, it seems. > > Listen again, and listen closely: trans women are not men. Trans women are women. Trans men are not women. Trans men are men. This fundamental misunderstanding of identity and how it works with regards to transgender people lies at the core of whatever “logic” these people are using. They refuse to see trans people for who they are, and in doing so, refuse to understand why protections like the ones in place at the federal level are so important. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/219 "2016-09-10T06:57:28Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The only specific lie that I recall imputed to her was the same-sex restroom, and the discussion in this thread made it clear that her position was arguably correct – enough so that it’s not fair to call it a lie. > > What other lies do you lay at her feet? Well, shall we count how many she had to say to support Trump? > **[The Conservative Case for Trump: Schlafly, Phyllis, Martin, Ed, Decker, Brett M,...](https://www.amazon.com/Conservative-Case-Trump-Phyllis-Schlafly/dp/1441751645)** > > The Conservative Case for Trump \[Schlafly, Phyllis, Martin, Ed, Decker, Brett M, Ward, Pam\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. The Conservative Case for Trump > [@](#): > > For the first time since 1980, a significant number of Republicans are considering abandoning their party’s nominee. This is a grave mistake, Schlafly says— **because a Donald Trump “radical redirection” could actually set America back on the path of Reagan’s conservative revolution.** > > In The Conservative Case for Trump, Schlafly and her coauthors Ed Martin and Brett M. Decker set aside the circus of the campaign and zero in on eight defining points of the Trump agenda **to convince Republican voters that Donald Trump—improbable as it may seem—is the true conservative we’ve been waiting for.** Well, some of those can make many Republicans toss their cookies. Schlafly was truly polishing the turd there. [http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/donald-trump-ronald-reagan-213288](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/donald-trump-ronald-reagan-213288) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2016, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155/220 "2016-09-10T06:59:04Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Back in another thread someone was talking about how protecting natural formations in national parks was moronic. It lookad as if that was the dummest thing posted in the SDMB. > > But that is wrong, this one is. > > No one in government or the courts has demanded that women use the same restrooms, the issue is about transexual people. What you are talking about here is an attmpt to justify the trolling Republican behavior that, unlike your imaginary point made, it is based on real predictable Republican trollery. > > [http://www.themarysue.com/conservative-trolls-trans-protest/](http://www.themarysue.com/conservative-trolls-trans-protest/) You misunderstand. Crazytroll, there, is referring to the proposed “Equal Rights Amendment” (ERA) to the constitution. There was a claim (_cf_ thread subject person) that the text of the ERA would result in the elimination of privacy in elimination, because we would not be allowed to discriminate on the basis of sex (gender), so we would all have to use the same restrooms. All that frothing was about what _might have probably happened_ if the ERA had been enshrined in the Constitution. Because, you know, _liberals_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/phyllis-schlafly-dead-at-92-does-anybody-care/765155.md?page=12)