# Pic of kid w/ his .22 rifle posted on FB - Child Services & cops show up demanding to search house **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 20, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429 "2013-03-20T04:20:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/21 "2013-03-21T00:13:16Z")
> [@PatriotGrrrl](#): > > Many people who don’t like guns seem to have a fascination with gun owner’s penises. I have no idea why. Easy. Its because those gun owners get a real hard on every time they thrust a round into the smooth hard chamber and then cock their weapon. Clear? ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/22 "2013-03-21T01:39:18Z")
> [@Cartooniverse](#): > > Easy. Its because those gun owners get a real hard on every time they thrust a round into the smooth hard chamber and then cock their weapon. > > Clear? What? Really? I hope this is sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/23 "2013-03-21T01:40:42Z")
I think **Cartooniverse** was being sarcastic. I’m pretty sure **Enkel** was not. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/24 "2013-03-21T04:20:53Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > Your only version of this is from a needle-dick posting on a forum to impress his buddies. Wow. Your obsession with needle-dicks just has your post oozing with credibility. Oh wait. That’s not credibility. You should probably see your urologist for some tests and antibiotics. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/25 "2013-03-21T11:35:06Z")
The local police have released a statement saying that there is no evidence of any illegal activity and they consider the case closed. ---
**Author:** ![JLRogers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@JLRogers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JLRogers)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/26 "2013-03-21T11:50:30Z")
That should have been their position from the start. That anything came of some busybody getting their panties in a twist over a photo of a kid with a rifle is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Saraya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Saraya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saraya)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/27 "2013-03-21T11:54:15Z")
Better question is why social services is scouring and trolling Facebook? Pedophile much? ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/28 "2013-03-21T11:56:46Z")
Growing up on a farm in central Illinois, I had access and permission to use a .22 and a shotgun from when I was about 13 or 14. Most of my counterparts all around the area probably did, as well. Here’s where you think I’m going to say, “…and we never shot anyone.” that wouldn’t be true. I know of four accidental shootings that happened within a mile of our home. One was near fatal when a red haired hunter creeping through a brushy area (trespassing) was mistaken for a fox by a teenager and shot behind the ear, the bullet glancing off. One kid shot himself in the leg, practicing his ‘quick draw’. Another hit another hunter in the foot when he shot at a rabbit running through the beater line crossing a field. Another killed his dog when she chased a running pheasant up out of a ditch. She crested the edge just as he shot at the bird. Etc. etc. Guns are more dangerous in the hands of young men than in the hands of mature men. I guess we accepted a certain number of injuries and deaths as the price of our love of killing small animals. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/29 "2013-03-21T11:57:11Z")
> [@JLRogers](#): > > That should have been their position from the start. That anything came of some busybody getting their panties in a twist over a photo of a kid with a rifle is ridiculous. DCPP is required by law to follow up on any allegation made. Even those left anonymously on their hotline. Sometimes they request that local law enforcement escort them depending on the circumstances. That is what appears to have happened here. Even the father’s lawyer in this case stated the police acted correctly. [QUOTE=lawyer dude] •The four police officers acted professionally, they were there at the request of DYFS. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/30 "2013-03-21T11:58:12Z")
> [@Saraya](#): > > Better question is why social services is scouring and trolling Facebook? > > Pedophile much? People who saw the picture called the child abuse hotline. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/31 "2013-03-21T12:04:51Z")
> [@crucible](#): > > Growing up on a farm in central Illinois, I had access and permission to use a .22 and a shotgun from when I was about 13 or 14. Most of my counterparts all around the area probably did, as well. Here’s where you think I’m going to say, “…and we never shot anyone.” that wouldn’t be true. I know of four accidental shootings that happened within a mile of our home. One was near fatal when a red haired hunter creeping through a brushy area (trespassing) was mistaken for a fox by a teenager and shot behind the ear, the bullet glancing off. One kid shot himself in the leg, practicing his ‘quick draw’. Another hit another hunter in the foot when he shot at a rabbit running through the beater line crossing a field. Another killed his dog when she chased a running pheasant up out of a ditch. She crested the edge just as he shot at the bird. Etc. etc. > > Guns are more dangerous in the hands of young men than in the hands of mature men. I guess we accepted a certain number of injuries and deaths as the price of our love of killing small animals. NJ law (which the police say was not broken) does not allow for the unsupervised use of firearms by those under 18 (21 for handguns). The law states: > [@](#): > > b.No person under the age of 18 years shall possess, carry, fire or use a firearm except as provided under paragraphs (1), (2), (3) and (4) of this subsection; and, unless authorized in connection with the performance of official duties under the provisions of N.J.S.2C:39-6, no person under the age of 21 years shall possess, carry, fire or use a handgunexcept under the following circumstances: > > (1)In the actual presence or under the direct supervision of his father, mother or guardian, or some other person who holds a permit to carry a handgun or a firearms purchaser identification card, as the case may be; or > > (2)For the purpose of military drill under the auspices of a legally recognized military organization and under competent supervision; or > > (3)For the purpose of competition or target practice in and upon a firing range approved by the governing body of the municipality in which the range is located or the National Rifle Association and which is under competent supervision at the time of such supervision or target practice or instruction and training at any location; or > > (4)For the purpose of hunting during the regularly designated hunting season, provided that he possesses a valid hunting license and has successfully completed a hunter’s safety course taught by a qualified instructor or conservation officer and possesses a certificate indicating the successful completion of such a course. Number 4 does not apply in this case since there is no rifle hunting in the state only shotgun. The family does live close to PA where it is legal. NJ law has just about the strictest gun laws in the country including an assault weapons ban. And no laws were broken in this case. ---
**Author:** ![ZenBeam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/3ab097/32.png) [@ZenBeam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZenBeam)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/32 "2013-03-21T16:47:42Z")
> [@shawnmoore81 (AKA "needle-dick")](#): > > Nappen (my lawyer) asked me for the dyfs workers name. she wouldnt give it. i asked for credentials and she wouldnt show em. Is this (alleged) behavior standard for a child protective services worker? Not just in this case, but in general, including in other states? I would think not, and would think that showing credentials, including picture ID with name and position, would be standard. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/33 "2013-03-21T17:15:01Z")
You guys smell that? Smells like bullshit to me… ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/34 "2013-03-21T17:26:23Z")
My issue is not that the guy has a gun. First, any parent would be incensed that they’d been turned into CPS… but it looks like this needle-dick is familiar with CPS because that doesn’t bother him in the least. Second, he had to run to his forum to wag his needle-dick about protecting second amendment rights because “The fight has officially been brought to [his] front door” We have people who are and have actually fought to protect our rights. They don’t t do battle against a lady from CPS asking questions. They suffer long term separation from their families to actually serve time in actual battle zones. So, any time I read one of these needle-dicks who have probably not served even one day in the military or even for the Federal Government wagging on about how they’ve defended our second amendment rights from the scary government employee… yup, that is a needle dick. If someone brought a real battle to his door, he’d be whizzing in his panties. Finally, it wasn’t his second amendment right, but his forth amendment rights that were in question that night… so, if you’re gonna be a big fat patriot wagging on about how you stood up to the big mean old government, at least quit paying (right! like the attorney hasn’t just jumped into this for free to get press!) an attorney who also doesn’t know the difference between second and fourth amendment rights. And, I’ll admit, that I believe that small dicks cause men to do stupid stuff and any time I hear someone start prattling on about their rights… I assume they have a small dick and not enough money to compensate with a sports car, so they buy guns instead. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/35 "2013-03-21T17:42:46Z")
> [@ZenBeam](#): > > Is this (alleged) behavior standard for a child protective services worker? Not just in this case, but in general, including in other states? I would think not, and would think that showing credentials, including picture ID with name and position, would be standard. Again, without a video… the only person saying this happened is the guy who’s posting to his buddies on that forum where he is some sort of hero for having CPS called in on his kid. ---
**Author:** ![Enkel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/df705f/32.png) [@Enkel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enkel)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/36 "2013-03-21T17:47:55Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > NJ law (which the police say was not broken) does not allow for the unsupervised use of firearms by those under 18 (21 for handguns). The law states: > > Number 4 does not apply in this case since there is no rifle hunting in the state only shotgun. The family does live close to PA where it is legal. > > NJ law has just about the strictest gun laws in the country including an assault weapons ban. And no laws were broken in this case. For all anyone knows, CPS got a report of an AUTOMATIC weapon. We don’t know if CPS could see the picture in question (the picture could be marked as private for only needle-dick’s friends). So, if someone who claimed to know weapons (and I’m sure all of needle-dicks buddies all weapons experts, dontchaknow) said the picture posted was an AUTOMATIC weapon in the hands of a 10yo that may be all they had to go on. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/37 "2013-03-21T17:54:42Z")
What exactly can “happen that fast”? Child services responding to a report? Somehow, I don’t think that’s what he meant. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/38 "2013-03-21T18:09:46Z")
> [@Enkel](#): > > … So, if someone who claimed to know weapons (and I’m sure all of needle-dicks buddies all weapons experts, dontchaknow) … That’s enough of that, **Enkel**. No more of this insulting, name-calling language. Get your point across without characterizing gun owners as “needle-dicks.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/39 "2013-03-21T18:42:40Z")
> [@JLRogers](#): > > That should have been their position from the start. That anything came of some busybody getting their panties in a twist over a photo of a kid with a rifle is ridiculous. Nothing did come of it. Or rather, what came of it is exactly what we as a society want to happen: a possible situation was identified and investigated. No one’s legal rights were abused or compromised. The problem is with ridiculous and hysterical rhetoric, like these gems from the father, Shawn Moore: > [@Shawn Moore](#): > > They said they wanted to see into my safe and see if my guns were registered. I said no; in New Jersey, your guns don’t have to be registered with the state; it’s voluntary. **I knew once I opened that safe, there was no going back.** > [@Shawn Moore](#): > > I don’t like what happened. **You’re not even safe in your own house. If they can just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, that’s not freedom; it’s like tyranny.** Actually, Mr. Moore, this showed that you are safe in your own home, that they can’t just show up at any time and make you open safes and go through your house, and so it’s pretty much exactly the opposite of tyranny. No going back? Hell, with people who think like this and perceive events this way, there’s been no going forward (on a lot of things) for decades now. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429/40 "2013-03-21T19:01:31Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Nothing did come of it. Or rather, what came of it is exactly what we as a society want to happen: a possible situation was identified and investigated. the problem I have is that there doesn’t seem to have been a “possible situation” in the first place. Certainly nothing that justified social workers getting involved, especially not with multiple police escorts. Guns are just the big spooky thing right now so there are a bunch of busybody ninnies out there who appoint themselves social guardians and report stuff like this 'cos they just _have_ to “do something.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pic-of-kid-w-his-22-rifle-posted-on-fb-child-services-cops-show-up-demanding-to-search-house/653429.md?page=3)