No, it wasn’t.
The above premise you start your scenario with is false. Did you not read the links in the OP or is there some other reason you started off with an incorrect statement?
There is no mandatory gun registration in New Jersey.
In theory I am in agreement with you. In real life it’s hard to negotiate when you’re handcuffed and in a throat lock… better to do exactly what the Nice policeman tells you to do.
I don’t know about in New Jersey, but apparently in California, you are not permitted to take a photograph of a Social Worker, nor their vehicle. The Social Worker is required to identify themselves, which means the guy’s testimony is either bullshit or the Social Worker was breaking protocol.
According to the account listed in the OP, they had no warrant. Is that information incorrect?
Things didn’t get to that level. Not even close, so I don’t know why you’re bringing up an extreme scenario. Even in such a scenario, you can keep your mouth shut (except for maybe giving your name and address) and refuse permission for a search when it’s legal to do so. (I don’t know about in Italy, but this is true in NJ.)
There was no search so there was no “warrantless search.”
Rights? Rights? That shit don’t play in North Philly. You say No to a PPD officer, you may find yourself spitting teeth.
That’s nice, but it has nothing to do with this thread. No one is talking about situations where cops are beating people. If ANYONE is choking you, it’s a good idea to cooperate. I hope you’re happy that I agree with you.
the point is that the guy waving his cell phone around claiming his attorney was in charge could have made a critical mistake. He is lucky that the only thing bruised was his ego.
He’s not lucky and what he “could” have done is irrelevant. He did the right thing. The part about claiming his attorney was in charge and waving his cell phone around are just things you made up.
What do you believe the purpose of a search warrant to be? Why do you think they are obligated to get one before searching a home?
well, if you had nothing to hide, then what’s the big deal? You didn’t need those teeth anyway.
they can “want” all they, er, want. If they really think it’s that important, they can go get a warrant. That’s what warrants are for. It’s so they have to have some demonstrable cause to go to a judge and say “we think this guy’s doing x so we want to have a look around.” Otherwise the police can bully anyone into submitting to a search because “there’s nothing to worry about if you haven’t done anything wrong.”
and what if they decide to detain me just because they don’t like the way I look? I mean, I don’t know what country you live in (if you’ve posted about it I apologize for missing it) but there’s no shortage of examples of police treating people unfairly. Especially minorities. I live in the Detroit area, and it’s been well-known that being black and driving around in certain suburbs is a good way to get pulled over (thus the coining of the phrase “DWB”- “Driving While Black.”) The suburb I live in is a couple of minutes north of the city of Detroit. One of the main thoroughfares passes through the Grosse Pointes, and they even have/had a term for people who had the poor taste to be black and driving down that road. And doing so was likely to get you pulled over for even the thinnest of reasons.
That is what the attitude of “if you have nothing to hide” leads to.
you’ve already said you don’t know the relevant laws, and that you don’t live in this country, so you’ll excuse me if I say that you have absolutely no basis on which to make this kind of statement.
No. That is in fact exactly what he did. He called his attorney and let it be known AS the event occurred that his lawyer was in on it.
No. it’s not “exactly” what he did. There are no reports that he waved his cell phone around or claimed his attorney was in charge. And he wasn’t lucky that he wasn’t assaulted by the police. He was not harmed because that’s what happens the vast majority of the time you behave properly when the police come to your house. No luck needed.
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Do you have a cite for him “claiming his attorney was in charge”? Do you have a cite for him “waving his cell phone around”? Just saying that he called his attorney certainly isn’t a cite for either of those statements. I think you did make those up.
ETA: Thinking about it, there’s been an awful lot of “just making shit up” going on in this thread.
Yes there was.
Then post the evidence that a search occurred.
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The homeowner had a protected interest.
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The police entered his home with the intent to gather evidence.
Which of those two things do you dispute?
I dispute that a search occurred since that was your claim. Are you going to post evidence for this search or are you going to retract your statement?