# Picasso and Steve Wynn on the roof **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 6, 2014, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228 "2014-06-06T21:45:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2014, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/21 "2014-06-08T01:24:33Z")
One is not necessary for the other, you know. I’ve had contact, both direct and indirect with Wynn for years. He has never given me any indication of being anything other than the way I described him. So he had a safety harness. So what? Are you jealous that people said nice things about him and don’t heap praise on you for standing on the edge of a cliff? Are you really that immature and childish? “Waaaah! My meaningless scribbles get laughed at, while Mondrian and Rothco gets the chicks. It isn’t FAIR!” What a baby. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2014, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/22 "2014-06-08T22:34:37Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Steve Wynn _invented_ the megaresort when he opened the Mirage. He refined it when he opened Bellagio. He perfected it when he opened Wynn/Encore. I’m sorry but this is incorrect. The megaresort was invented by Kirk Kerokorian in 1969, twenty years before Steve Winn would open The Mirage. [Cite: > [@](#): > > A megaresort is a type of destination which is of an exceptionally large size, sometimes featuring large-scale attractions (casino, golf course, theme park, multiple accommodations). The hotels along the Las Vegas Strip are most typically thought of as megaresorts owing to their immense size and complexity. Kirk Kerkorian is credited for building the first mega resort in 1969 earning him the nickname “father of the mega resort”. > > Two projects in Las Vegas in 1969 and 1973[3][4][5] by architect Martin Stern, Jr. and entrepreneur Kirk Kerkorian, the International Hotel and the MGM Grand, set the standard for such casino resorts. ]([Resort hotel - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_and_resort_hotels)) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2014, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/23 "2014-06-08T22:38:51Z")
True enough, Snowboarder Bob. It might be more fair to say that Wynn invented the _upscale_, aspirational megaresort. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/24 "2014-06-09T01:28:42Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > True enough, Snowboarder Bob. It might be more fair to say that Wynn invented the _upscale_, aspirational megaresort. No, it wouldn’t. If anyone can be credited with that, it’s Kirk Kerkorian. As the previous link said, he is known as “the father of the megaresort”. The first megaresort in Las Vegas was the [International Hotel](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LVH_%E2%80%93_Las_Vegas_Hotel_and_Casino), built by Kerkorian in 1969 (also mentioned in the link in my previous post). Also, my name is Bo, not Bob. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/25 "2014-06-09T02:02:10Z")
Apologies for the name mis-type. I know that can be annoying; the mistake was unintentional. As for whether the International was positioned in the market (when introduced) as “upscale” in a way comparable to the way the Bellagio was–that would be a matter of opinion, and of definition of terms. It’s about as subjective as anything can be. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/26 "2014-06-09T04:32:37Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Apologies for the name mis-type. I know that can be annoying; the mistake was unintentional. No offense meant and none taken. I’ve just had a handful of people over the years that “see” Bob instead of Bo when they read my name but I know that it does happen. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > As for whether the International was positioned in the market (when introduced) as “upscale” in a way comparable to the way the Bellagio was–that would be a matter of opinion, and of definition of terms. It’s about as subjective as anything can be. It’s a hijack, but I’d be interested to hear what you think the differences were and how significant they are. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/27 "2014-06-09T05:42:59Z")
So, what I get from the OP is that he’s wondering why his vacation photos don’t get as much attention as a world-famous billionaire’s televised publicity shots? And also he drew a picture in Microsoft Word (!) that apparently proved a small number of Belgians know 0% about art? I must say, this thread has it all. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Simus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@Don\_Simus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Simus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/28 "2014-06-09T20:31:52Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > One is not necessary for the other, you know. I’ve had contact, both direct and indirect with Wynn for years. He has never given me any indication of being anything other than the way I described him. You must be a big boss since even BBC failed to get an audience with the luminary for their film. > [@silenus](#): > > So he had a safety harness. So what? What? He was afraid and therefore was not a daredevil. > [@silenus](#): > > Are you jealous that people said nice things about him and don’t heap praise on you for standing on the edge of a cliff? Are you really that immature and childish? What do you want to say? That expecting bigger praise for bigger achievement is childish? That was my point that the rich and famous are such not for any real achievement, but for whimsical, capricious and corrupt reasons. Childish behavior was demonstrated by your protege > [@](#): > > Mr. Wynn was told the suite he prefers to stay in was taken by another billionaire. He made quite a scene at the front desk, yelling at the staff, and telling them they were incompetent. Despite their desperate attempts to calm him down, Wynn went on for a while as they desperately tried to resolve the situation. They could not move the other billionaire out, and eventually Wynn had to accept another room. > **[Casino mogul Steve Wynn throws another epic tantrum](https://pagesix.com/2014/05/05/casino-mogul-steve-wynn-throws-tantrum-at-milken-conference/)** > > Following his heated clashes with George Clooney, casino mogul Wynn caused a scene at a plush Beverly Hills hotel. > [@silenus](#): > > "Waaaah! My meaningless scribbles get laughed at, while Mondrian and Rothco gets the chicks. You misrepresent the facts. My meaningless scribbles \*are taken for \* masterpieces of modern art. > [@silenus](#): > > It isn’t FAIR!" > > What a baby. So if one believes in fairness he is a baby? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/29 "2014-06-09T21:09:06Z")
> [@Don\_Simus](#): > > You misrepresent the facts. My meaningless scribbles \*are taken for \* masterpieces of modern art. Forgive me if I have my doubts at the sincerity and/or knowledge of art that your friends in Belgium possess. I wish you’d share your masterpiece here so we can judge for ourselves. Maybe you really did out-Picasso Picasso. Let’s see it. ---
**Author:** ![RobDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobDog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/30 "2014-06-09T21:46:13Z")
> [@Don\_Simus](#): > > … > You misrepresent the facts. My meaningless scribbles \*are taken for \* masterpieces of modern art… Get back to me when someone mistakes a Picasso for a Don Simus. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2014, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/31 "2014-06-09T23:28:36Z")
> [@RobDog](#): > > Get back to me when someone mistakes a Picasso for a Don Simus. He can get back to me when he invents a new movement in art for other people to copy. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Simus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@Don\_Simus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Simus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/32 "2014-06-10T01:01:42Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Forgive me if I have my doubts at the sincerity and/or knowledge of art that your friends in Belgium possess. I too had such doubts. That is why I wrote the “True art, or fake?” test to resolve them. > [@GrandWino](#): > > I wish you’d share your masterpiece here so we can judge for ourselves. Maybe you really did out-Picasso Picasso. Let’s see it. It is included in the test. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/33 "2014-06-10T01:32:07Z")
Thanks. I took the first 2 tests and aced them. Which reinforces my belief that your friend doesn’t know much about art, since I’m far from an expert. Still trying to figure out exactly who you want credit from for standing on top of a rock. Steve Wynn? The BBC? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/34 "2014-06-10T01:50:20Z")
I hereby acknowledge that **Don Simus** stood on a rock. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Simus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@Don\_Simus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Simus)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/35 "2014-06-10T02:26:25Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Thanks. I took the first 2 tests and aced them. Which reinforces my belief that your friend doesn’t know much about art, since I’m far from an expert. I did check the database. One person indeed got a 100% on the first test, but only 83% on the second and the third. Wouldn’t call it acing. There is an article with statistical analysis of tens of thousand of test results. > [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Still trying to figure out exactly who you want credit from for standing on top of a rock. Steve Wynn? The BBC? In the beginning I made the statement that Wynn is a daredevil only in comparison with other modern art lovers. You are obviously one of those. So I just want to hear from you an honest answer to the following question: how close would you would you dare to come to that rock? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/36 "2014-06-10T02:52:10Z")
> [@Don\_Simus](#): > > I did check the database. One person indeed got a 100% on the first test, but only 83% on the second and the third. Wouldn’t call it acing. > > There is an article with statistical analysis of tens of thousand of test results. Shit, you’re correct. My apologies - I did get 83% on the second one. I was trying to copy and paste my results (not possible, I guess) and went back to the same tab twice. So it was just 100% on the first test. > [@Don\_Simus](#): > > In the beginning I made the statement that Wynn is a daredevil only in comparison with other modern art lovers. You are obviously one of those. So I just want to hear from you an honest answer to the following question: how close would you would you dare to come to that rock? Probably nowhere near it, but then, I’m not the outdoor type. So what? What the hell is your point? I seriously can’t fathom what your issue is here. You appear to be angry that Steve Wynn is getting publicity for something you’re better at than he is, I guess, or you feel your manhood has been questioned? I don’t get it. You seem to be making things that don’t concern you all about yourself and your sense of self-worth. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/37 "2014-06-10T05:18:28Z")
> [@Don\_Simus](#): > > What? He was afraid and therefore was not a daredevil. “If you jumped out of a plane without a parachute, would that make you brave?” -Jacques Plante ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/38 "2014-06-10T06:48:57Z")
> [@Don\_Simus](#): > > So if one believes in fairness he is a baby? If you expect life to be fair, you certainly have a lot left to learn, and not just about art. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/39 "2014-06-10T10:03:51Z")
> [@Don\_Simus](#): > > I did check the database. One person indeed got a 100% on the first test, but only 83% on the second and the third. Wouldn’t call it acing. > > There is an article with statistical analysis of tens of thousand of test results. Right. I think I can summarize your statistical analysis for everybody: - A statistically significant number of people were able to tell the difference between bullshit and art. - People taking the quiz from elite locations, as you describe them, did a little better than people who were not from elite locations. - Even people who were not taking the quiz from elite locations did better than random by a statistically significant percentage. However, you are ignoring that because you assume that some of them recognized the paintings. In summary, people who know something about art are discredited in the quiz because they know something about art. People who apparently don’t know anything about art are still discredited because they may know something about art. You should rethink your use of the phrase “statistical analysis”. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2014, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228/40 "2014-06-10T13:04:02Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > So the “Official Story” is we had dinner with Steve and he gave us a present for our anniversary. 😃 That’s a Wynn Wynn. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/picasso-and-steve-wynn-on-the-roof/690228.md?page=3)