# Pick the Republican team (P and VP) most likely to succeed in '16 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 30, 2015, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402 "2015-08-30T16:30:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/21 "2015-08-31T01:04:40Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If New York is ever in play, then the Republicans have already won in a landslide. Yes, even with a New Yorker on the Republican ticket. It’s like talk about how Democrats might flip Texas: Yes, there are plausible worlds where that happens, but in those worlds, they’ve flipped so many other states as well that Texas doesn’t even matter. One reason the Democrats have such a lock on New York is because the Republicans run candidates who are so conservative (at least by New York standards). People like Pataki, Giuliani, and Bloomberg show that a Republican can get elected in New York. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/22 "2015-08-31T01:39:54Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Provided one of them moves to another state. Like that would be a problem?? Just “donate” some of the campaign funds to a “housing for the needy” cause. Bingo. Rubio, welcome to Tennesee! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/23 "2015-08-31T02:56:31Z")
Which would prevent him from running again as Senator from Florida in 2016. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/24 "2015-08-31T04:18:21Z")
I’m with the John Mace. Kasich/Rubio is by far the most broadly appealing ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/25 "2015-08-31T05:05:32Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Good point! I had forgotten about that part of the constitution. P and VP cannot be residents of the same state. Probably because that’s not in the Constitution. Both in the original and 12th Amendment, it merely says that the electors must select either the President or VP from another state. If Bush/Rubio ran as a ticket then the Florida (and only Florida) electors would have to vote for someone out of state either for president or vice-president. > [@](#): > > The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/26 "2015-08-31T05:19:10Z")
As forgiving as residency rules are I doubt it would pose a problem as long as one of the candidates isn’t currently in office. Jeb could claim he lives in Connecticut or something. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/27 "2015-08-31T05:40:02Z")
More likely he would move back to his father’s old homestead in Texas. > **['Doonesbury's' Texas Residency Prank Hits Home With Official](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-02-05-mn-1135-story.html)** > > State Comptroller John Sharp is offering unofficial Texas residency to those who sent in "Doonesbury" coupons to be "just like the Prez" and avoid paying state income taxes where their home--but not their heart--is. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/28 "2015-08-31T07:10:49Z")
Actually, if Bush is the nominee I’d bet on Tom Cotton as his VP pick. Actually, Cotton will be a short lister for any moderate candidate. He’s as conservative as Ted Cruz but not as ambitious, plus the military service looks good on the resume. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/29 "2015-08-31T11:37:44Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > As forgiving as residency rules are I doubt it would pose a problem as long as one of the candidates isn’t currently in office. Jeb could claim he lives in Connecticut or something. Yeah. For instance, Cheney switched his residency from Texas to Wyoming after he selected himself as Bush’s running mate. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/30 "2015-08-31T11:46:06Z")
Forget Kasich. Not only does he have the charisma of a wet dog turd, he doesn’t offer a good age contrast to the Democratic nominee. Forget Rubio. He’s stuck in the Cold War with Cuba and after six years still hasn’t articulated an alternative to Obamacare, plus he looks like he should be president of a high school chess club, not of the US. Forget Carson. Once you get over the “Oh my God! A DOCTOR! And a black one, too!”, you’ll see that other than being a skilled technician in one field, he’s a blithering idiot. For my money the ticket to fear is Walker-Fiorina. Walker gets the Teabaggers and is prepaid by the Kochs, Fiorina gets the women who can’t stand Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/31 "2015-08-31T12:19:42Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Which would prevent him from running again as Senator from Florida in 2016. This may be a whoosh, but Rubio is already retiring from the Senate. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/32 "2015-08-31T12:44:54Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > This may be a whoosh, but Rubio is already retiring from the Senate. Not a whoosh - i was thinking of the Leiberman precedent. I also wasn’t aware he wasn’t seeking re-election - didn’t see anything in the wiki article on him about it? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/33 "2015-08-31T13:28:46Z")
I agree with John. Kasich-Rubio would be a great ticket for the GOP, for the reasons he stated. Kasich is very moderate by modern Republcian standards. He’s joined Ralph Nader on some issues, supported Obamacare back when it was Kasichcare (though I assume he hates the Kenyan version now with a passion). He even supported a ban on assault weapons. Yes, the GOP base would prefer a lunatic, but, if Rubio does a good enough job playing the fool, the adults in the GOP should be able to get voters to hold their nose long enough to pull the lever. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/34 "2015-08-31T13:38:04Z")
The Constitution might not actually prohibit the Pres and Veep being from the same state, but the restriction is still significant enough that no party would ever run two from the same state, especially not a fairly large state like Florida (or Texas). That’s just asking to end up with a President and Vice President from different parties. Though, as mentioned, the workaround is simple enough. EDIT: > [@](#): > > Kasich is very moderate by modern Republcian standards. He’s joined Ralph Nader on some issues, supported Obamacare back when it was Kasichcare (though I assume he hates the Kenyan version now with a passion). Actually, he’s one of the very few Republican governors who hasn’t fought implementation of the ACA. Which is in fact where most of his reputation from moderation comes from. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/35 "2015-08-31T13:38:50Z")
No love for Walker / Ayotte or Walker / Haley? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/36 "2015-08-31T13:47:11Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Fiorina gets the women who can’t stand Hillary. Not going to happen. The worst possible message the Republicans could send to women voters would be nominating a female Vice Presidential candidate after the Democrats nominate a female Presidential candidate. It’s basically saying “We don’t give women the same respect the other party does.” ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/37 "2015-08-31T13:48:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Not going to happen. The worst possible message the Republicans could send to women voters would be nominating a female Vice Presidential candidate after the Democrats nominate a female Presidential candidate. It’s basically saying “We don’t give women the same respect the other party does.” So… perfectly plausible then? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/38 "2015-08-31T13:53:13Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Forget Kasich. Not only does he have the charisma of a wet dog turd, he doesn’t offer a good age contrast to the Democratic nominee. Forget Rubio. He’s stuck in the Cold War with Cuba and after six years still hasn’t articulated an alternative to Obamacare, plus he looks like he should be president of a high school chess club, not of the US. Forget Carson. Once you get over the “Oh my God! A DOCTOR! And a black one, too!”, you’ll see that other than being a skilled technician in one field, he’s a blithering idiot. For my money the ticket to fear is Walker-Fiorina. Walker gets the Teabaggers and is prepaid by the Kochs, Fiorina gets the women who can’t stand Hillary. Do you really think Walker has more charisma than Kasich? And charisma is great to have, but Hillary doesn’t have it, so it’s not like Kasich would be running against Oprah. As for Florina… my first thought is Wicked Witch of The West. All that’s missing is a pointy hat. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/39 "2015-08-31T14:50:58Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Do you really think Walker has more charisma than Kasich? And charisma is great to have, but Hillary doesn’t have it, so it’s not like Kasich would be running against Oprah. > > As for Florina… my first thought is Wicked Witch of The West. All that’s missing is a pointy hat. Teabaggers adore Walker. Nobody adores Kasich. Fiorina is running for veep, if she can win another kiddie table debate she’ll have some claim to it. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2015, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402/40 "2015-08-31T14:52:12Z")
If Rubio gets the nomination, his short list should be moderates from not-South to balance th ticket. Brian Sandoval Charlie Baker Rob Portman Kelly Ayotte [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pick-the-republican-team-p-and-vp-most-likely-to-succeed-in-16/729402.md?page=3)