# Pigskin pranksters' punishment postponed **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 19, 2006, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355 "2006-08-19T16:28:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/21 "2006-08-20T03:43:16Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] 20 years of teaching in a football-happy town gives me a bit of insight, yes. The coach doesn’t run anything by anybody. But the Friday night those two don’t start, the coach’s days are numbered. He will be in the Principal’s office by 8am Monday defending his decision, while the Principal answers phone calls from the school board, the mayor, and every other bigshot in town. If the kids don’t play, that coach will be teaching Sophomore PE so fast you won’t believe it. [/QUOTE] Wow, my post was there, and then it wasn’t. So, anyway, while I respect your 20+years of experience, I believe that your argument from the specific to the general is unpersuasive. [QUOTE=jsgoddess] And the stats are probably available, if I knew where to look for them. [/QUOTE] As is yours. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/22 "2006-08-20T04:16:01Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] As is yours. [/QUOTE] What are you considering to be my argument from the specific to the general? My argument is general. Don’t swerve for deer. Yes, there could be times when it’s safer, just as a person can be killed because she’s wearing a seatbelt, yet I will say, “Wear a seatbelt. It’s safer.” There are a ton of insurance, AAA, DNR, and DOT sites that say the same thing. That doesn’t necessarily prove it’s safer, but it shows that I’m not exactly coming up with something radical here. Heck, there are apparently whole ad campaigns, like Iowa’s “Don’t Veer for Deer.” ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/23 "2006-08-20T04:44:43Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] What are you considering to be my argument from the specific to the general? [/QUOTE] You know, that was a bad comparison. Here is what I should have said. [QUOTE=jsgoddess] And the stats are probably available, if I knew where to look for them. [/QUOTE] If a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his ass every time he jumps. Either support your statement, and I quote – \*\*Never swerve for deer! \*\*-- or retract it. You may want to contemplate the restrictions suggested by the word ‘never.’ ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/24 "2006-08-20T08:49:48Z")
The kids are going to be punished anyway The deferment prevents a whole load of other people being punished It strikes me as a sensible approach Also any punishment they finally get is going to be trivial compared with the hostility that they will face from their team, coach and just about everyone down to the hot dog vendor. I think I would give them three weeks scraping up road kill. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/25 "2006-08-20T10:41:13Z")
[QUOTE=FRDE] The kids are going to be punished anyway [/QUOTE] But not nearly enough, considering that they left one of their victims brain damaged. > [@](#): > > The deferment prevents a whole load of other people being punished What load of people? Punished how? ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/26 "2006-08-20T10:53:49Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] But not nearly enough, considering that they left one of their victims brain damaged. [/QUOTE] That is down to the judge [QUOTE=Contrapuntal] What load of people? Punished how? [/QUOTE] They are two members of a football team - teams are trained to work as a unit - remove those two idiots and the ‘unit’ ceases to function The deferment is not a ‘gift’ to the two idiots, to be honest I don’t think that they’ll much enjoy those 60 days, it is to prevent other people suffering (more) from their stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/27 "2006-08-20T11:19:05Z")
[QUOTE=FRDE] They are two members of a football team - teams are trained to work as a unit - remove those two idiots and the ‘unit’ ceases to function [/quote] You see, this is where we differ. You look at the deferment as a way to keep innocent football players from being punished for someone else’s actions. I look at it as an opportunity to **teach** all those innocent football players how important it is not to break the law and fuck around. If they see their teammates (and the quarterback himself!) get smacked down hard, they’ll toe the line. If you defer the punishment, you’re teaching the whole team that football is more important than the law, more important than someone’s safety, more important than anything else in town. ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/28 "2006-08-20T13:10:32Z")
[QUOTE=Fish] You see, this is where we differ. You look at the deferment as a way to keep innocent football players from being punished for someone else’s actions. I look at it as an opportunity to **teach** all those innocent football players how important it is not to break the law and fuck around. If they see their teammates (and the quarterback himself!) get smacked down hard, they’ll toe the line. If you defer the punishment, you’re teaching the whole team that football is more important than the law, more important than someone’s safety, more important than anything else in town. [/QUOTE] I get your point, but I don’t agree Extrapolating ridiculously, you appear to be saying if I burgle a house, then everyone else in the town should spend a night in the cooler. Probably, like me, you are not a sports fanatic - however, with a little imagination, bolstered by earlier posts, I can see that giving those two guys 60 days /deferment/ is not for /their/ benefit. In 60 days they will get the book thrown at them, in the interim they serve as a warning to all those around them. I expect that in 60 days, the judge will have thought up a really inventive and unpleasant punishment for them. If one regards it as 60 days house arrest, interrupted by daily public beratings from the coach, then that /deferment/ is not exactly a favour. In effect it is 60 days in the stocks, followed by an unpleasant punishment. If they perform well on the pitch, I doubt that their ultimate punishment will be reduced, but if they do badly /for the team/ then it could be increased. Actually this is more interesting than it appears on the surface - a Stakhanovite implementation of punishment - quite an interesting concept ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/29 "2006-08-20T13:37:13Z")
[QUOTE=FRDE] …In 60 days they will get the book thrown at them, in the interim they serve as a warning to all those around them. I expect that in 60 days, the judge will have thought up a really inventive and unpleasant punishment for them… [/QUOTE] Or not,[ > [@](#): > > …complete the football season before they serve 60-day sentences at a juvenile detention center… ]([http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/19/deerdecoy.crash.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/19/deerdecoy.crash.ap/index.html))CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/30 "2006-08-20T13:43:13Z")
[QUOTE=FRDE] **Extrapolating ridiculously** , you appear to be saying if I burgle a house, then everyone else in the town should spend a night in the cooler. [/QUOTE] Well, you got that part right at least! 😃 I still feel that all this teaches anybody is that if you are the quarterback, people will always makes excuses for you and you’ll always be treated special. Maybe the offensive line will “fall down” on a play or three and let some senior linebacker test the quarterbacks manhood a few times. That might make him realize that he isn’t special after all. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/31 "2006-08-20T14:22:42Z")
[QUOTE=FRDE] I get your point, but I don’t agree Extrapolating ridiculously, you appear to be saying if I burgle a house, then everyone else in the town should spend a night in the cooler. [/QUOTE] I feel like what **Fish** is saying is that if you burgle a house, the fact that you have a big project at work due next month is not a reason to release you, even if your colleagues will miss out on a bonus because of it. ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/32 "2006-08-20T14:49:22Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Well, you got that part right at least! 😃 I still feel that all this teaches anybody is that if you are the quarterback, people will always makes excuses for you and you’ll always be treated special. Maybe the offensive line will “fall down” on a play or three and let some senior linebacker test the quarterbacks manhood a few times. That might make him realize that he isn’t special after all. [/QUOTE] I don’t know much about American football - and I really don’t want to know However, I have been thinking about this thread, and I have come to the conclusion that the judge was seriously smart. Probably due to small town pressure, he succumbed, (which is not that dumb) but what is interesting is that he might have uncovered a ‘principle’. ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/33 "2006-08-20T14:55:36Z")
[QUOTE=Bill Door] I feel like what **Fish** is saying is that if you burgle a house, the fact that you have a big project at work due next month is not a reason to release you, even if your colleagues will miss out on a bonus because of it. [/QUOTE] Sounds sane to me - what is the difference between a kick in the slats today and a kick in the slats tomorrow ? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/34 "2006-08-20T15:11:43Z")
The big difference I see in this is that the two miscreants get something out of the deal. If they play hard and their team wins, they they will go off to Juvie as heroes, with all their friends talking about what great guys they are and how they got railroaded. If they go to Juvie now, then that all changes. They get out as bums, and everybody hates them for being dickheads who cost their team the championship. A much better punishment in my book. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/35 "2006-08-20T16:01:01Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Either support your statement, and I quote – \*\*Never swerve for deer! \*\*-- or retract it. You may want to contemplate the restrictions suggested by the word ‘never.’ [/QUOTE] You may want to contemplate the restrictions suggested by the word “quote.” ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/36 "2006-08-20T16:23:51Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] You may want to contemplate the restrictions suggested by the word “quote.” [/QUOTE] My bad. It was “Don’t swerve for deer.” Thanks for catching that. Rhetorical point scored. Any objections to the _substance_ of my post, or is it your contention that ‘never do x’ and ‘don’t do x’ have entirely different meanings? [QUOTE=FRDE] They are two members of a football team - teams are trained to work as a unit - remove those two idiots and the ‘unit’ ceases to function The deferment is not a ‘gift’ to the two idiots, to be honest I don’t think that they’ll much enjoy those 60 days, it is to prevent other people suffering (more) from their stupidity. [/QUOTE] Please. If the two payers had been injured in a game would the unit have ceased to function? This is just silly. 60 days confinement for causing a wreck that leaves someone brain-damaged is less than a slap on the wrist. To defer it so that the perpetrators can play high school football is idiotic. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/37 "2006-08-20T16:55:10Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] My bad. It was “Don’t swerve for deer.” Thanks for catching that. Rhetorical point scored. Any objections to the _substance_ of my post, or is it your contention that ‘never do x’ and ‘don’t do x’ have entirely different meanings? [/QUOTE] Yes, that is my contention. As I have already said, there may be times when swerving is safer, but it is not generally safer, just as there may be times when not wearing a seatbelt is safer, but it is not generally safer. > [@Insurance Information Institute](#): > > [http://www.iii.org/individuals/auto/lifesaving/deercar/](http://www.iii.org/individuals/auto/lifesaving/deercar/) > > Brake firmly when you notice a deer in or near your path, but stay in your lane. Many serious crashes occur when drivers swerve to avoid a deer and hit another vehicle or lose control of their cars. > [@Deer-Vehicle Crash Information Clearinghouse (DVCIC)](#): > > [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Q-Jdm8gZi4AJ:www.deercrash.com/Toolbox/CMToolboxPublicInfoEducation.pdf+swerve+OR+veer+site:deercrash.com&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a](http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:Q-Jdm8gZi4AJ:www.deercrash.com/Toolbox/CMToolboxPublicInfoEducation.pdf+swerve+OR+veer+site:deercrash.com&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3&client=firefox-a) > > Don’t swerve, brake firmly, stay in your lane, hold onto the steering wheel, and bring your vehicle to a controlled stop. > [@Cornell Cooperative Extension](#): > > [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0IIWBAUGS\_UJ:wildlifecontrol.info/ccewdmp/Publications/Deer\_factsheet.pdf+swerve+OR+veer+deer&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7&client=firefox-a](http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0IIWBAUGS_UJ:wildlifecontrol.info/ccewdmp/Publications/Deer_factsheet.pdf+swerve+OR+veer+deer&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=7&client=firefox-a) > > If it appears that you will collide with a deer, do not swerve to avoid the animal. More human injuries occur when drivers swerve to avoid deer and instead collide with roadside obstacles or vehicles in the opposing lane than if they hit the animal. > [@Insurance Institute of Michigan](#): > > [http://www.iiminfo.org/consumer/deer.aspx](http://www.iiminfo.org/consumer/deer.aspx) > > The most serious crashes occur when motorists swerve to avoid a deer and hit another vehicle or fixed object, such as a tree. > [@Cornell Cooperative Extension](#): > > [http://www.ccefm.com/youth-development.html](http://www.ccefm.com/youth-development.html) > > If it appears you are going to collide with a deer, do not maneuver to avoid impact, as the deer may also counter-maneuver. Human fatalities are more likely when motorists swerve to avoid deer and instead collide with roadside obstacles or oncoming traffic. > [@Government of Michigan](#): > > [Deer-Vehicle Crashes](http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1593_3504_22760-95455--,00.html) > > The most serious crashes occur when motorists swerve to avoid a deer and hit another vehicle or a fixed object, or when their vehicle rolls over. \ Don’t swerve! Brake firmly, hold onto the steering wheel and bring your vehicle to a controlled stop. > [@Smart Motorist](#): > > [http://www.smartmotorist.com/ani/ani.htm](http://www.smartmotorist.com/ani/ani.htm) > > Brake firmly when you notice a deer in or near your path. Do not swerve. It can confuse the deer as to where to run. It can also cause you to lose control and hit a tree or another car. > [@Michigan Deer Crash Coalition](#): > > [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0vr-h2zaHs0J:www.bhsj.org/Publications/pressreleases/2004/2004-12/Deer%2520PSA.pdf+swerve+deer&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=11&client=firefox-a](http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0vr-h2zaHs0J:www.bhsj.org/Publications/pressreleases/2004/2004-12/Deer%2520PSA.pdf+swerve+deer&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=11&client=firefox-a) > > To avoid these crashes, know the facts, take precautions, and NEVER SWERVE TO AVOID HITTING A DEER. Most car-deer crash deaths and injuries occur when drivers swerve to avoid hitting a deer and strike a fixed object or hit another vehicle instead. > [@Tompkins County Car/Deer Accidents and Information](#): > > [http://www.co.tompkins.ny.us/highway/cardeer.html](http://www.co.tompkins.ny.us/highway/cardeer.html) > > Do not swerve your vehicle to avoid striking a deer. It is better to strike a deer than another vehicle or a fixed object. > [@NC Department of Crime Control & Public Safety](#): > > [http://www.nccrimecontrol.org/Index2.cfm?a=000001,000113,000440,001157](http://www.nccrimecontrol.org/Index2.cfm?a=000001,000113,000440,001157) > > Don’t swerve to avoid striking a deer. > [@Wisconsin Traffic Safety Reporter](#): > > [http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:cwsmVHGWipQJ:www.dot.state.wi.us/library/publications/format/newsletters/safety/tsr-vol8no1.pdf+swerve+deer&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=29&client=firefox-a](http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:cwsmVHGWipQJ:www.dot.state.wi.us/library/publications/format/newsletters/safety/tsr-vol8no1.pdf+swerve+deer&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=29&client=firefox-a) > Don’t veer for deer > > When we encounter deer on the road, we need to keep our cool and not swerve. In an emergency, this can be the hardest piece of advice to practice, but it definitely saves lives,” says Ted Gamble, president of AAA Wisconsin. Hit your brakes, hit your horn and hit the deer if you must, but don’t swerve. A driver’s instinct is to avoid crashing into the deer, but swerving into traffic and hitting an on-coming vehicle, or swerving to the side and hitting a fixed object are both more dangerous than hitting a deer. They can accelerate from 0 to 30 mph in 1.5 seconds, so if you continue in a straight line and brake, the deer might be gone before you get there. > > The exception is motorcyclists. Another consideration: > [@Insurance Hotline](#): > > [http://www.insurancehotline.com/scripts/pr.pl?pr=17143521](http://www.insurancehotline.com/scripts/pr.pl?pr=17143521) > > “Again, drivers should know that if they swerve and miss an animal, but collide with the ditch or another vehicle, the damage is covered if you purchased collision coverage, but your insurance company will consider the accident to be your fault and your rate will go up,” says Romanov. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/38 "2006-08-20T17:05:17Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] Yes, that is my contention. [/QUOTE] “Don’t do x” and “Never do x” have _entirely different_ meanings? Allrighty then. Minor question. Where in the statement “Don’t do x” do you find an allowance for “Sometimes do x.”? ---
**Author:** ![FRDE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e68b1a/32.png) [@FRDE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FRDE)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/39 "2006-08-20T17:15:44Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] My bad. It was “Don’t swerve for deer.” Thanks for catching that. Rhetorical point scored. Any objections to the _substance_ of my post, or is it your contention that ‘never do x’ and ‘don’t do x’ have entirely different meanings? Please. If the two payers had been injured in a game would the unit have ceased to function? This is just silly. 60 days confinement for causing a wreck that leaves someone brain-damaged is less than a slap on the wrist. To defer it so that the perpetrators can play high school football is idiotic. [/QUOTE] 1. Probably yes - ask a top Harvard rower 2. 60 days DEFERMENET - it is odd to you, and it is slightly odd to me, but to the vast majority of people it makes perfect sense. - next time your house is burning down, worry whether I am in prison garb - worry more if I am not there - do you want a fire fighter or … just thin air It is an interesting concept, and I think it might work - I now patent it as Stakhanovite Punishment ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2006, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355/40 "2006-08-20T17:39:50Z")
[QUOTE=FRDE] 1. Probably yes - ask a top Harvard rower 2. 60 days DEFERMENET - it is odd to you, and it is slightly odd to me, but to the vast majority of people it makes perfect sense. - next time your house is burning down, worry whether I am in prison garb - worry more if I am not there - do you want a fire fighter or … just thin air It is an interesting concept, and I think it might work - I now patent it as Stakhanovite Punishment [/QUOTE] You are losing me. we are talking about a football team, not a rowing squad. And so what? Two alternates can step in. The punishment was not _deferred_ for 60 days. It _consists_ of 60 days. I must confess that the rest of your post is incomprehensible to me, at least in the context of this thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pigskin-pranksters-punishment-postponed/369355.md?page=3)