# Pimping, statutory rape, and apathy, oh my! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 16, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356 "2003-12-16T18:10:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/1 "2003-12-16T18:10:13Z")
This is evidently breaking news out of the St. Louis area. No cites to be found as of yet but I had to post something. Judging from the report on the radio, police raided a farmhouse in one of the St. Louis suburbs. The woman who owns the house has a 15-year-old daughter and at least 12 tenants, one of whome is a 22-year-old man who was paying good ol’ mom to fuck her daughter! 11 of the other tenants knew what was going on but did nothing! The police, who must have been acting on a tip from a neighbor, raided the house either last night or this morning. They found illegal guns and (IIRC) drugs. There, I feel somewhat better now. I’m sure a cite will be forthcoming when one is available. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/2 "2003-12-16T18:39:07Z")
I may have been a little off. No mention of mom being paid. > [@](#): > > [St. Louis Post-Dispatch](http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/St.+Louis+City+%2F+County/6C000BC98FDD4EB886256DFE00198FAA?OpenDocument&Headline=Law+and+order%3A+Mother+is+accused+of+permitting+sexual+abuse) > A drug-addled mother let her 15-year-old daughter conduct a sexual relationship with a 21-year-old man, authorities said Monday after charging the woman with permitting the sexual abuse of a child. > > Debra Kay Cox, 40, of Glen Carbon, was also charged Monday in Madison County Circuit Court with unlawful possession of a controlled substance after police said they found trace amounts of crack cocaine in a pipe at the house where Cox, her husband and her daughter were living. > > The 18 occupants of the two-story farmhouse in the 3400 block of South Illinois Route 157 included Joseph A. Barker, 21, who was charged with aggravated criminal sexual abuse and possession of a stolen firearm. He was being held on $140,000 bail. > > [Madison County Assistant State’s Attorney Susan] Jensen said that the sexual relationship had been going on less than a month but was known to the house’s occupants. > > Cox, who also gave the names Debra Weed and Debra Luster, was being held Monday at the Madison County Jail on $90,000 bail. > > Glen Carbon Detective Kevin Hendricks said police uncovered the abuse after serving a search warrant on the house Friday to look for the stolen .22-caliber Smith and Wesson pistol, which was reported to them by an informer. Officers also found a rifle in the home. ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/3 "2003-12-16T18:52:41Z")
Oh MY! a 15-yr. old and a 21-yr. old? You don’t say! That’s SO unheard of burn him at the stake! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/4 "2003-12-16T19:05:51Z")
Oh come now. What if the woman was _really_ pimping her dautgher? How is it that none of the other tenants did a damn thing? How long would it have continued if it hadn’t been for a simple stolen pistol? How’d the cops figure out this was going on anyway? Everything in this story _stinks_! ---
**Author:** ![GaWd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f08c70/32.png) [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/5 "2003-12-16T19:52:29Z")
She wasn’t pimping her daughter, was she? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/6 "2003-12-16T19:53:57Z")
I love the aliases: Debra Weed and Debra Luster. There are two drag queens in Arkansas who want their names back. Sorry Jeff, not seeing this as the crime of the century, unless it can be demonstrated that the daughter was an unwilling participant. Leaving aside the legal issue of age of consent, I’m not too upset about a 15 year old voluntarily having sex with a 21 year old. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/7 "2003-12-16T20:01:55Z")
The name change puzzled me too. “Let’s change it from Cox to Weed. That’ll be _sooo_ much better.” ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/8 "2003-12-16T20:19:38Z")
I’m having an especially hard time getting worked up about this since the age of consent here is 14 and I had plenty o’ consensual sex w/ adults for about a year before I was “legal.” Paying rent to someone who is related to the person you’re having sex with does not equal prostitution. _Traces_ of drugs were found in a house with 12 occupants? Uh, right. Burn the mom. I agree, stolen guns are bad, m’kay? Can’t get up a good froth over it though, sorry. And the rest? Deal. > [@](#): > > What if the woman was really pimping her dautgher? What if she was really preparing to sacrifice her to a blood-drenched effigy of Morley Safer while dancing under the light of the moon? What if she was really planning to dress her up in an explosive vest and give her backstage access to the _Dr. Phil_ show? How’d you know we were all going to be so apathetic about this total non-event, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/9 "2003-12-16T20:30:25Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by GaWd_ > \*\* She wasn’t pimping her daughter, was she?\*\* Unknown at this time. Drug abuse has been known to make the abusers do anything to get money for their next fix. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*Sorry Jeff, not seeing this as the crime of the century, unless it can be demonstrated that the daughter was an unwilling participant. Leaving aside the legal issue of age of consent, I’m not too upset about a 15 year old voluntarily having sex with a 21 year old. \*\* Normally, I wouldn’t be either. What I see in the article is a big stink coming from a bunch of little piles of shit. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/10 "2003-12-16T20:52:26Z")
$90,000 bail, sex, drugs and guns, - somebody’s up for re-election. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/11 "2003-12-16T21:18:20Z")
The [Edwardsville Intelligencer](http://www.goedwardsville.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10670295&BRD=2291&PAG=461&dept_id=473648&rfi=6) has a better article. Lovely bunch of malcontents in that house. ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/12 "2003-12-16T21:56:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jeff Olsen \* > Drug abuse has been known to make the abusers do anything to get money for their next fix. The mother allowed activity that fits the legal definition for sexual abuse in her state. I’m glad she was charged. Now where to I find details about your assertion that there was pimping or pandering involved? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/13 "2003-12-16T22:37:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Waverly \* > \*\* Now where to I find details about your assertion that there was pimping or pandering involved? \*\* That was the original impression I got from the radio report. I’ve already admitted that it might be the wrong impression. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2003, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/14 "2003-12-16T22:55:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Otto \* > \*\*I love the aliases: Debra Weed and Debra Luster. There are two drag queens in Arkansas who want their names back. > \*\* IME, the term ‘aliases’ covers wide range of stuff including: 1. Some one intentionally giving a false name at arrest. 2. A legal name change (ie marriage etc). 3. Some one’s typo (I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve seen something like this as an alias: “Brian Johnson aka Bryan Johnson aka Brian Johnsen”). ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/15 "2003-12-17T14:52:23Z")
[John Denver] “Well life on the farm is kind of laid back…” [/John Denver] ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2003, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimping-statutory-rape-and-apathy-oh-my/219356/16 "2003-12-17T15:58:42Z")
It sounds as if the household occupants may have been mom, mom’s sixty-year-old boyfriend, the kids, and assorted friends of the kids. Instead of mom allowing a tenant to screw her daughter, she may have allowed her daughter’s boyfriend to move in. Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad Debra Weed (heh) isn’t _my_ neighbor.