# pimps up, hos down **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 5, 2004, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515 "2004-08-05T21:16:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![i\_am\_a\_scientist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f07891/32.png) [@i\_am\_a\_scientist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/i_am_a_scientist)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/1 "2004-08-05T21:16:09Z")
[amusing decision](http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf) handed down by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, this week. if only the defense had closed with “anything goes when it comes to hoes because pimpin’ ain’t easy.” defense rests! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/2 "2004-08-05T21:24:58Z")
“Your Honor, I speak jive.” What an amazing document. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/3 "2004-08-05T21:43:02Z")
Wow…I see something like that, I’m lucky to make it through two pages before I get bored and move on to something else. Forty-three pages later, and _damn_ that was a good, educational read. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/4 "2004-08-05T22:15:41Z")
Ya’ll be cool or I’ll get out my “pimp stick”! ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/5 "2004-08-05T22:34:39Z")
Occasionally, you gotta use da pimp stick on your “independant contractors”. -lv ---
**Author:** ![pervert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bbe5ce/32.png) [@pervert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pervert)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/6 "2004-08-05T22:42:42Z")
I knew when I saw teh movie American Pimp that there was some secret of the universe hidden in that movie. I now know that the key to that secret is hidden somewhere in this brief. I am going to spend a couple days going over this thing. Thanks very much for the heads up. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/7 "2004-08-05T22:43:26Z")
HELD: it ain’t easy. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/8 "2004-08-05T22:51:31Z")
I can’t wait to read this when I get home (no acrobat on this box.) ---
**Author:** ![bughunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aeb1de/32.png) [@bughunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bughunter)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/9 "2004-08-05T22:57:52Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > “Your Honor, I speak jive.” > > What an amazing document. It’s even funnier reading these concepts presented in totally un-jive jargon. Here’s an excerpt: > [@](#): > > Defendant Pipkins (known as “Sir Charles”) and Defendant Moore (known as “Batman”) were pimps who operated in southwest Atlanta in an area around Metropolitan Avenue (formerly called Stewart Avenue) known as the “track.”1 > > To persuade underage females to prostitute for them, the Defendants (and other pimps charged in the indictment) presented a vision of ostentatious living, promising fame and fortune. Pimps perpetrated this myth with their own flamboyant dress, flashy jewelry, and exotic, expensive cars. To support this apparently extravagant lifestyle, each pimp kept a stable of prostitutes with a well-defined pecking order. At the top of each pimp’s organization was his “bottom girl,” a trusted and experienced prostitute or female associate. Next in the pimp’s chain of command was a “wife-inlaw,” a prostitute with supervisory duties similar to those of the bottom girl. A pimp’s bottom girl or wife-in-law often worked the track in his stead, running interference for and collecting money from the pimp’s other prostitutes. The bottom girl also looked after the pimp’s affairs if the pimp was out of town, incarcerated, or otherwise unavailable. Fascinating. And somehow amusing. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/10 "2004-08-05T22:58:02Z")
I must admit I failed to find it amusing. Reading a detailed description of violence, rape, extortion, slavery and child abuse is pretty damn depressing. I realize it’s fun to dress up in a zoot suit with phat bling and talk jive, but these are nasty, evil people unworthy of humor. ---
**Author:** ![bughunter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/aeb1de/32.png) [@bughunter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bughunter)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/11 "2004-08-05T23:04:10Z")
Oh, and there _will_ be a quiz at the end of the thread, so pay attention! ---
**Author:** ![kittenblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ba8739/32.png) [@kittenblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kittenblue)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/12 "2004-08-05T23:25:00Z")
Gee, I wonder if any of those strip-clubs in Columbus, Georgia were ones my ex used to hang out at. ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/13 "2004-08-05T23:39:53Z")
Can someone give me the name of the case. Everytime I try the link it kills my browser. ---
**Author:** ![TeaElle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@TeaElle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeaElle)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2004, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/14 "2004-08-05T23:44:51Z")
> [@friedo](#): > > I must admit I failed to find it amusing. Reading a detailed description of violence, rape, extortion, slavery and child abuse is pretty damn depressing. > > I realize it’s fun to dress up in a zoot suit with phat bling and talk jive, but these are nasty, evil people unworthy of humor. What friedo said. While it was somewhat humorous to read a court opinion which defined and explained all of the terminology in such a dry and matter of fact fashion, the underlying crimes and degradation associated with what these men did is anything but funny. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/15 "2004-08-06T03:55:23Z")
> [@Stuffy](#): > > Can someone give me the name of the case. Everytime I try the link it kills my browser. _Velvet Jones v. Huggy Bear._ ---
**Author:** ![LordVor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/90ced4/32.png) [@LordVor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LordVor)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/16 "2004-08-06T04:15:35Z")
> [@Stuffy](#): > > Can someone give me the name of the case. Everytime I try the link it kills my browser. USA v. Charles Floyd Pipkins And, while the acts of rape and degregation described in the evidence are not amusing, for some reason I chuckled at the concept of the city’s pimps conspiring to keep prices artificially high. -lv ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/17 "2004-08-06T05:18:15Z")
Pimp collusion? Only in America. ---
**Author:** ![RealTronic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9dc877/32.png) [@RealTronic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealTronic)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/18 "2004-08-06T06:08:05Z")
I for one was fascinated and surprised by the “gentlemanny” business ways of the pimps. Not towards the prostitutes though, obviously, but towards one another. I always imagined strict feuds and killing each others prostitutes if they left for another pimp etc… Of course, this is a horrible lifestyle and is not one to admire or wish for, but I still find it morbidly fascinating reading about the structure and customs of these people. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/19 "2004-08-06T13:20:47Z")
> [@bughunter](#): > > Oh, and there _will_ be a quiz at the end of the thread, so pay attention! Please describe the defining characteristic of a “Choosey Susie”. No partial credit. ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515/20 "2004-08-06T14:45:33Z")
> [@Friedo](#): > > I must admit I failed to find it amusing. Reading a detailed description of violence, rape, extortion, slavery and child abuse is pretty damn depressing. I realize it’s fun to dress up in a zoot suit with phat bling and talk jive, but these are nasty, evil people unworthy of humor. > > > [@TeaElle](#): > > > > What friedo said. While it was somewhat humorous to read a court opinion which defined and explained all of the terminology in such a dry and matter of fact fashion, the underlying crimes and degradation associated with what these men did is anything but funny. C’mon, guys, I don’t think anyone here would seriously disagree with you that the underlying crimes are seriously unfunny. That doesn’t mean that you can’t find black humor/and or fascination with the situation, so long as it has somewhat of a happy ending. Cops, prosecutors and defense attorneys often seem odd to others for finding humor in aspects of a crime that others would generally find alarming. I’d be willing to make a bet that the FBI agents found some level of amusement at the fact that the pimps chose to extensively document their crimes and give a first hand account of the workings of their organization by making a series of how-to instructional videos. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pimps-up-hos-down/258515.md?page=2)