# Pirates of the Carribean 4: Could it possibly be worse than the 3rd? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 7, 2008, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694 "2008-11-07T19:37:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/21 "2008-11-08T00:08:30Z")
I liked POTC3. I think it’s less confusing after watching it a second time, now knowing what all the allegiance swapping was leading to. I just tried to explain it all in a couple of short sentences, and couldn’t do it without getting all confused myself. However, I have no problem following it onscreen. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/22 "2008-11-08T02:39:47Z")
You want a bad pirate movie with CGI? _Pirates of the Caribbean 4: Jar Jar Goes to Sea_ ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/23 "2008-11-08T03:38:36Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > The big deal was that a lot of people did not guess Emily was a fake right away (or at all). That is a giant step forward for computer graphics. [You can tell a little better in this video](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgJLXClKq40&feature=related). It’s hard to tell that Emily is CGI in crappy YouTube resolution. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/24 "2008-11-08T06:31:23Z")
What? All this talk about re-animating dead actors, and no-one has mentioned [This](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcn4p213Zg8)? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/25 "2008-11-08T06:40:51Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > “Will returns from ferry duty and raises a family”. I don’t think you spelled that right. _rimshot_ ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/26 "2008-11-08T08:09:14Z")
I’m certain that when coming out of seeing Superman 3 many in the audience said to themselves, “Superman 4 can’t possibly be worse than the third.” ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/27 "2008-11-08T20:30:29Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > I don’t get that video. I guessed right off the bat that Emily was fake, but I expected the “real” Emily to look like a linebacker or something. Instead, she looked . . . exactly like the fake Emily. What’s the big deal? While you may have been able to spot the animation in a video titled “ImageMetrics Tech Demo”, it’d be tough to notice if your attention hadn’t been drawn to it. The fake Emily has more makeup, fuller lips, and a different eye color from the actress, and while that may not look that impressive to you, I can guarantee that anyone who’s done computer graphics will be impressed. Back on topic, yes, PotC 4 can be worse than any of the first three. Never underestimate a major studio’s ability to run that shit into the ground. ETA: On review, I’m not sure about the eye color. It looks to me like the animation has dark blue eyes and the actress has brown, but that could just be a trick of the resolution or my monitor’s color scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/28 "2008-11-08T20:50:45Z")
Aw, I loved POTC because it IS over the top. It’s fantasy, not a documentary (and I can watch me some documentary, even the cobbeldy David Burke stuff). Simply suspend some disbelief and get into the story. Or not. I hear there’s another James Bond flick going around–some stuff is campy and timeless and there’s clearly a market for that. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/29 "2008-11-08T21:54:51Z")
> [@ultrafilter](#): > > While you may have been able to spot the animation in a video titled “ImageMetrics Tech Demo”, it’d be tough to notice if your attention hadn’t been drawn to it. The fake Emily has more makeup, fuller lips, and a different eye color from the actress, and while that may not look that impressive to you, I can guarantee that anyone who’s done computer graphics will be impressed. You’re right - I didn’t mean to imply that I guessed from her looks. I just “knew” from a writing/advertising standpoint what they were doing. Maybe it’s because I’m ignorant and have never done computer graphics, but to me it just looks about 7 years more advanced than [this, from 7 years ago.](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1822202112/tt0173840) In other words, par for the course. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/30 "2008-11-08T22:46:48Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You want a bad pirate movie with CGI? > > _Pirates of the Caribbean 4: Jar Jar Goes to Sea_ PotC 4: Jar Jaarr! ---
**Author:** ![BMax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bmax/32/4267_2.png) [@BMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMax)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2008, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/31 "2008-11-08T23:26:25Z")
Yeah, they can out-crap the third one. Look at the _Alien_ franchise. Alien: Truckers in Space. very cool haunted house movie in space. Young & hot Sigourney Weaver with an excellent supporting cast. Great weird images from H.R. Geiger. Aliens: Action/Adventure movie. Female Rambo in Space. Awesome special effects. Insane monster design. Excellent one-liner dialogue. Great character interaction and development. Lance Fucking Hendricksen. Alien 3: Some people here pretend it didn’t happen, but at the time it came out (the only time I saw it) I enjoyed it. Basically a shipwreck monster movie, it did break continuity with the other two, but they already broke continuity between the first two movies, so it didn’t bother me much. Skinhead convict monks on an inhospitable rock. Ripley sacrifices herself for the good of the galaxy. Greek Tragedy. Charles Dutton dies. Pete Postelwaite dies. Only Wes survives. Alien Resurection: Sorry, but Ron Perlman couldn’t save this one. Maybe he loses his super powers when he’s out of latex. This one definitely sucked harder than the third one. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/32 "2008-11-09T02:04:34Z")
> [@BMax](#): > > Alien Resurection: Sorry, but Ron Perlman couldn’t save this one. Maybe he loses his super powers when he’s out of latex. This one definitely sucked harder than the third one. How can the third movie in the series suck harder than the third movie in the series? What is this Alien 3? I never heard of it. It must truly suck. But at least Hicks was cool in it right? What? Hicks was killed off? Hicks was killed off off-screen? Son of a bitch! \*\*\* neuralizes self \*\*\* Alien 3 you say? Never heard of it. Alien Resurection was a decent little movie though. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/33 "2008-11-09T04:36:37Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > \*\*\* neuralizes self \*\*\* > > Alien 3 you say? Never heard of it. Alien Resurection was a decent little movie though. Those things cause brain damage, you know. “They might have remade the first one with extra marketing and pandering but a Star Wars prequel can’t worse than Return of the Jedi.” “Wow Val Kilmer stunk as Batman, but they’re sure to replace him for the sequel and that can only improve things.” “With Jet Li in it there’s no way that Lethal Weapon 4 could be weaker than that boring third movie!” ---
**Author:** ![Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f08c70/32.png) [@Crowbar\_of\_Irony\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crowbar_of_Irony_3)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/34 "2008-11-09T08:14:51Z")
One way to make it worse - no Jack Sparrow. ---
**Author:** ![mobo85](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b19c9b/32.png) [@mobo85](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mobo85)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2008, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/35 "2008-11-09T15:17:53Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > How about [Zac Efron](http://icydk.com/2008/10/22/zac-efron-to-star-in-the-next-potc-movie/)? Efron himself stated that the rumors that Disney optioned him for POTC 4 were false- although he’d love to do it. ---
**Author:** ![medstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@medstar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/medstar)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/36 "2008-11-10T00:52:48Z")
The first **Men in Black** movie was great–full of humor, great character development and the chemistry between Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith was fantastic. The second **Men in Black** movie was a disaster–explosions and action scenes taking valuable time away from a coherent story and memorable characters. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/37 "2008-11-10T03:47:55Z")
Another thing about the first movie is that it actually had a plot. If you were paying attention, you’d realize by the end of the movie that everything that happened did so for a reason and all of the pieces formed together into a coherent whole. Everything made sense and there were no dangling loose ends. The second and third movies abandoned this. Characters were doing things for no sensible reason, plot points were introduced but then forgotten, and there were numerous logical holes in the stories. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/38 "2008-11-10T04:41:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The second and third movies abandoned this. Characters were doing things for no sensible reason, plot points were introduced but then forgotten, and there were numerous logical holes in the stories. Such as…? ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/39 "2008-11-10T14:34:22Z")
_Prepares to argue with jackdavinci…again_ POTC4 can only be a steaming pile of diahorea as the last two were the same. I agree that the first film was great and was more closely related to the real world whereas the second may as well have been set on Melee Island for the similarity to reality that it held. Given that in both of the sequels story was sacrified for explosions, magic and serial breakage of the rules of physics I don’t think the people involved in the franchise can actually shoe horn it back into the real world. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2008, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694/40 "2008-11-10T17:23:16Z")
Normally I’d say that making a worse movie than POTC3 is a big challenge (and yes, the second one was also awful). However there’s no reason to expect any improvement, either. If it’s as bad as the third one, that’s more than bad enough. I will not be wasting my time on any further Pirates movies, with or without Johnny Depp or anybody else. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-4-could-it-possibly-be-worse-than-the-3rd/471694.md?page=3)