# Pirates of the Carribean Question **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 30, 2005, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319 "2005-08-30T20:13:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/21 "2005-08-31T16:44:44Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I’ve always had this image of a never-dying Bootstrap Bill tied to a cannon at the bottom of the ocean. Leads to much morbid thinking once the curse is lifted … Same here. It’s an odd thing to think about. It would’ve been interesting to see Will realize his father’s still ‘alive’ somewhere in the middle of the ocean before he lifts the curse. Oh well, maybe he got lucky, sunk into a very deep part of the ocean, and got crushed by the intense pressures. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/22 "2005-08-31T16:54:01Z")
I was kind of hoping he walked ashore someplace. As for Mr Gibbs…it wouldn’t have been uncommon for a man to both serve in the Navies of varies European nations AND spend time as a pirate or freelance sailor. Plenty of time for both. Don’t even try to tell me that Sid Meier might have misled me. I heard it straight from his mouth to my ears one night. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/23 "2005-08-31T19:36:04Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > I was kind of hoping he walked ashore someplace. It’s possible sinceStellan Skarsgård has been cast as “Bootstrap Bill” Turner for both the upcoming sequel and part 3 ---
**Author:** ![Tracy\_Lord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@Tracy\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tracy_Lord)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/24 "2005-08-31T20:22:00Z")
Are we sure that Jack was in on the treasure-getting? I thought that he told (then first-mate) Barbossa where Isla de Muerta was and then Barbossa mutinied – that they marooned Jack and _then_ went to snag the treasure. Either way, there’s no doubt that the mutiny/marooning occurred before the events of the opening scene. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/25 "2005-08-31T20:24:34Z")
> [@Tracy Lord](#): > > Are we sure that Jack was in on the treasure-getting? I thought that he told (then first-mate) Barbossa where Isla de Muerta was and then Barbossa mutinied – that they marooned Jack and _then_ went to snag the treasure. That’s the order I always thought things happened in. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/26 "2005-08-31T20:26:22Z")
As far as Mr. Gibbs goes. When Elizabeth sings the song at the start she says “A Pirates Life for me” so it is obviously a Pirate song. It is also not uncommon that when a pirate ship takes another ship, the captured crew can be given a choice of joining the pirates or being held for ransom. Since able bodied seamen are hard to come by, and the pirates would pay better and offer a bonus to someone like Mr. Gibbs, it isn’t hard to imagine that he turned pirate later. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/27 "2005-08-31T20:32:58Z")
> [@Tracy Lord](#): > > Are we sure that Jack was in on the treasure-getting? I thought that he told (then first-mate) Barbossa where Isla de Muerta was and then Barbossa mutinied – that they marooned Jack and _then_ went to snag the treasure. > > Either way, there’s no doubt that the mutiny/marooning occurred before the events of the opening scene. I believe that’s how it went. I can’t remember the script offhand, but I believe there was a conversation in which it was at least implied, if not outright stated, that Jack was marooned before Barbossa took the Pearl to Isla de Muerta. Also consider: if Barbossa mutinied while they were at Isla de Muerta, why would he ask for the location from Jack beforehand? He wouldn’t have needed it, being at the treasure hoard already. > [@Zebra](#): > > When Elizabeth sings the song at the start she says “A Pirates Life for me” so it is obviously a Pirate song. It’s a song _about_ pirates, but that doesn’t mean it’s a pirate song itself. I can very easily imagine kids or some whimsical composer back in Britain who’ve never had interaction with a real pirate making up a romanticized song about scallywag buccaneers, and kids singing it while playing Pirates & Frenchmen. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/28 "2005-08-31T20:40:05Z")
> [@BayleDomon](#): > > [It’s a pretty good chance, too.](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0383574/)🙂 [You can say that again](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449088/combined). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/29 "2005-08-31T20:47:23Z")
> [@BayleDomon](#): > > I believe that’s how it went. I can’t remember the script offhand, but I believe there was a conversation in which it was at least implied, if not outright stated, that Jack was marooned before Barbossa took the Pearl to Isla de Muerta. > > Also consider: if Barbossa mutinied while they were at Isla de Muerta, why would he ask for the location from Jack beforehand? He wouldn’t have needed it, being at the treasure hoard already. Then again,if Jack wasn’t at Isla de Muerta, why would he be cursed, too? ---
**Author:** ![GorillaMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@GorillaMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GorillaMan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/30 "2005-08-31T20:49:54Z")
A little judicious googling shows that Disney are happy to credit a certain Xavier Atencio as the lyricist [IMDB entry](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0040362/) and [random songbook](http://www.pianolagoon.com/1700280.html)) Now, whether he is _really_ the lyricist, I don’t know. But the prominence of the song in the film now strikes me as a slightly knowing nod to its origins. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/31 "2005-08-31T20:51:07Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Then again,if Jack wasn’t at Isla de Muerta, why would he be cursed, too? Jack wasn’t cursed until the _second_ trip to Isla de Muerta, when he took the gold from the chest and palmed one. Until the end of the movie, he was curse-free. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/32 "2005-08-31T20:51:25Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Then again,if Jack wasn’t at Isla de Muerta, why would he be cursed, too? Because he took a coin from the chest when they had Will ready to be sacrificed. Right before Will says “You were planning this from the very beginning!” there’s a shot where they show Jack very obviously palming a coin. Note that in the prison at the start, although the moonlight shows the pirate’s arm as skeletal, Jack isn’t affected. He wasn’t cursed until late in the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/33 "2005-08-31T21:10:16Z")
Thanks, I must have missed that. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/34 "2005-08-31T22:09:28Z")
[Silence of the Deep](http://www.fanfiction.net/s/1453800/1/) A very well done ( IMHO) continuation fanfic of what happens after POTC1. Just thought I’d share. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2005, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319/35 "2005-08-31T23:20:54Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > [You can say that again](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449088/combined). > [@iIMDB](#): > > Yun-Fat Chow … Capt. Sao Feng ::quivers slightly:: Mr. _Hardboiled_ in a Pirates sequel. So very, very happy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pirates-of-the-carribean-question/319319.md?page=1)