In Italy, I was told that the local police (not the Carabinieri mind you) ignore pickpocketing on tourists- possibly due to corruption. One law “Cartabia reform” means that pickpockets will get off scot free unless the tourist stays there until trial time- even if the Officer saw the crime. Also the pickpockets in Italy are often transients. There are a LOT of Youtubes and other social media complains about the police doing nothing.
My traveling friends carry a second decoy wallet, with small bills, and some fake credit cards, etc in it. They can pay for small things like a beverage with that, and if it is stolen, the thieves get away with $20 or so.
Yeah, it depends on the “beat down”. If you just knock the thief down enough to stop them, fine. If you start whupping on them- handcuffs for you also.
In the OP, the pickpocketer pulled a knife. Once you bring force or intimidation into your theft, it becomes a robbery. If you steal my stuff, I can chase after you to get it back. If you then pull a knife on me, that’s robbery.
Also, “duty to retreat” only pertains to deadly force. It doesn’t apply to me punching you in the face because you pulled a knife on me in order to continue depriving me of my personal property.
I haven’t seen the videos, but what you described in the OP was a criminal pulling out a knife, and the victim punching him once and then kicking him to end the threat. Doesn’t seem unreasonable in the least. But, again, maybe it looks different in the video.
Except the OP says: “one dude didn’t cotton to some wannabe thug gangsta pickpocket reaching for his knife after being caught, and he straight cold-clocked him with a haymaker, then followed it up by a Chuck Norris kick to the head”.
That’s not self defense it’s just plain old assault. If someone pick pockets you and then you chase after them and beat them up, that’s not remotely self defense. Even if the pickpocket pulls a knife while you beat them up.
Any Americans here posting what it was like when they were in Europe: please say how long ago you were there. Are we talking 5 years? 30 years? It makes a difference.
Going back to the 1980’s (the last time was in 2019) I’ve been to 16 countries in Europe, some multiple times.
We’ve never been robbed or pickpoketed.
You have to keep your wits about you. Keep your wallet in your front pocket. Not fall into a state of tourist hypnosis while looking at the sights. Watch how you’re carrying your purse. Don’t get distracted by someone offering to sell or give you something.
We did have a guy try to pull some shit in Paris once but were immediately wise to him.
I’m in Europe almost every year. I am not stupid and have situational awareness. I was there a month ago (Germany and Belgium). No issues. I was in Greece and Germany about 6 months ago. No issues.
I was in Barcelona about 2 years ago. I personally had no issues but again, I have situational awareness. I did watch in real time as a Japanese tourist was relived of his camera bag and wallet while walking cluelessly in La Rambla. He was too far away for me warn him to do or say anything and it was too quick anyway.
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That would seem more like “randomly beating someone up for getting in your personal space” (and almost certainly staged IMO). FWIW I can’t find any videos like the one described on YouTube, I see lots of videos discussing incidents like this but the actual videos seem to have been taken down.
Regardless of the actual sequence of events its not helping to shake the stereotype of Americans being dumb. Really your gonna get stabbed over your wallet, how fecking stupid is that in 2026? It would have been dumb in 1996 but at least then your wallet would have some cash in it. Nowadays it just has your credit card which can be frozen, and any unauthorized transactions refunded, in about 30 seconds.
I’m not talking about just beating them up for punishment. I’m talking about using appropriate force to regain possession of your personal property. If someone takes your property, you can use reasonable, proportionate and appropriate force (short of deadly force) to immediately regain possession of your property. This immediacy stills applies under “fresh pursuit”. If, while attempting to get your wallet back, the thief pulls a knife, it becomes a robbery. In fact, if the thief uses any force at all to prevent you from retrieving your stuff, it becomes a robbery. If they push you away, threaten you, punch you, etc. Any use of force or threat of force makes their simple thievery a forcible felony. You’ll see this all the time as people run out of a store after shoplifting. It quickly escalates to robbery.
There is no jurisdiction where beating someone unconscious would qualify as “reasonable force”. That’s assault, bordering on (to use the UK legal parlance) causing greivious bodily harm.
If it’s obvious from the video that he didn’t see the knife it’s just beating someone unconscious for taking your wallet. Which not self defense in any jurisdiction
Now I wish I could find the video. But basically, guy gets pickpocketed off-camera. Guy and his homie find the pickpocket and start trying to get his attention. Seeing that he’s been made, he signals for his fellow gang member and approaches the victim. Victim grabs him by the shirt, pickpocket goes for knife, bim bam boom, pickpocket is on the ground and his gang homie is nowhere to be seen.
Okay, what does “didn’t cotton” mean, then? I thought it was just saying he “didn’t care”. It sounds to me that the victim caught up to the thief, and the thief pulled out a knife. The victim then punched and kicked the knife-wielding robber.