# Pit -100 for Hank Williams, Jr. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512 "2011-10-04T02:35:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/181 "2011-10-06T00:51:29Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > Most people over here would probably think it’s as weird to give your own name to your kid than it is\*\* to give a human name to a dog.\*\* Not even . . . Hank? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/182 "2011-10-06T00:54:32Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > As a Jr. myself, I could not agree more. I got my father’s first name as mine, but a different middle name specifically so that I would not be a Junior. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/183 "2011-10-06T01:14:09Z")
Passing names down is ancient, universal, and ongoing. It’s gone out of style a bit, but I’ve known Europeans who had their fathers names and their mother’s. A friend of mine who’s Russian is even named Andrei Andreiovich. Family names used to be recycled so much it’s a way that genealogists use to look for connections between familes of the same surname. Trivia: custom used to be to name your first three sons and first three daughters in a cycle: 1st son- Paternal grandfather’s name 2nd son- Maternal grandfather’s name 3rd son- Father’s name 1st daughter- Maternal grandmother’s name 2nd daughter- Paternal grandmother’s name 3rd daughter- Mother’s name There were exceptions of course; if you were the third son then the first son would have your name as well, or if both a boy’s grandfathers are named William you don’t just name them Willie and Billy (in the U.S. it became increasingly popular to give a son the bride’s maiden name as his first name), but generally the first few kids all had recycled names. If you look at the family trees of the early U.S. presidents you’ll see this was very common, and that while most families had a “Jr.” it usually was a younger son. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/184 "2011-10-06T01:28:07Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Passing names down is ancient, universal, and ongoing. It’s even in the bible. > [@Luke Chapter 1](#): > > [59 On the eighth day they came to circumcise the child, and they were going to name him after his father Zechariah, 60 but his mother spoke up and said, “No! He is to be called John.”](http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201&version=NIV) ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/185 "2011-10-06T01:52:06Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > You’re in the UK, right? My father has his father’s name, and I have that name as my middle name. I’ve never heard anyone say it’s weird. The middle name is one thing, but IME giving your son your first name went out for everyone but the peerage (and those who fancy themselves as peers) at least 50 years ago. I went to two of the Clarendon schools and never met anyone who was named after his father. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/186 "2011-10-06T02:06:21Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > The middle name is one thing, but IME giving your son your first name went out for everyone but the peerage (and those who fancy themselves as peers) at least 50 years ago. > > I went to two of the Clarendon schools and never met anyone who was named after his father. I know, right? I mean, as I understand it, the Williams clan attended the same schools, and still insist the outdated custom of naming one’s progeny after oneself is de rigueur. As if. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/187 "2011-10-06T03:32:25Z")
As the OP, this is a magnificent hijack and I fully approve. 🙂 Still, fuck Junior. He’s not an real American or a patriot. He’s no better than a piece of pig excrement that happened to have won the sperm lottery. Without his Dad’s name and talent he would be nothing, or much worse. There are people more talented than him doing “Amateur Night” or Karaoke at the local Holiday Inn. Maybe he ought to begin to realize that people with real intelligence and ability that didn’t have it all given to them (unlike him) still have a chance to excel in this country. Eat your stupid heart out, Junior. ---
**Author:** ![Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boo_Boo_Foo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/188 "2011-10-06T08:27:45Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > Why couldn’t this piece of pig excrement have gone off to Iraq and gotten his ass shot off? > > [http://gawker.com/5846280/hank-williams-jr-astutely-compares-obama-to-hitler](http://gawker.com/5846280/hank-williams-jr-astutely-compares-obama-to-hitler) > > This is the same type of person that will yell, “Support our President, right or wrong” when his guy is sitting in the Oval Office on his lazy ass trashing the country. Such a patriotic American young Hank is. I wonder if there is some inbreeding involved? > > At least ESPN had enough decency to remove his stupid holler from the Monday Night Football lead-in. I give this pitting a 1 out of 10. You have failed to make a convincing case that the respondent deserves a pitting. Further you have made it the reader’s responsibility to follow a link in your pitting before the pitting will make any sense. That might make it easier for you, the author of the Opening Post, but it is lazy and lacks intellectual merit. Further, your pitting presumes that the reader knows who the respondent actually is - and I certainly don’t know who the hell he is. The son of the famous singer, I’m guessing? Also, you presume that YOUR President is my President, which is false. Further, your anger has caused you to sling some pretty bitter insults at the respondent which, to this outsider looking in, merely confirms you as having some serious anger issues yourself. I live in Australia. I don’t know who the hell you’re talking about, or why the hell you’re talking about him. To then make it my responsibility to follow your link before I can make any sense of this thread is why this Pitting gets a 1 out of 10. A good Pitting, a really world class Pitting, is totally encapsulated in the Opening Post - as well as being inarguably worthy. It is cogent, incisive, and to the point. This Pitting strikes me as just one more American disagreeing with yet another American on some politcal level, in a seemingly endless list of disagreements. Rather like two fleas arguing who owns the dog they’re living on. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/189 "2011-10-06T12:50:30Z")
> [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > I give this pitting a 1 out of 10. > > You have failed to make a convincing case that the respondent deserves a pitting. > > Further you have made it the reader’s responsibility to follow a link in your pitting before the pitting will make any sense. That might make it easier for you, the author of the Opening Post, but it is lazy and lacks intellectual merit. > > Further, your pitting presumes that the reader knows who the respondent actually is - and I certainly don’t know who the hell he is. The son of the famous singer, I’m guessing? Also, you presume that YOUR President is my President, which is false. > > Further, your anger has caused you to sling some pretty bitter insults at the respondent which, to this outsider looking in, merely confirms you as having some serious anger issues yourself. > > I live in Australia. I don’t know who the hell you’re talking about, or why the hell you’re talking about him. To then make it my responsibility to follow your link before I can make any sense of this thread is why this Pitting gets a 1 out of 10. > > A good Pitting, a really world class Pitting, is totally encapsulated in the Opening Post - as well as being inarguably worthy. It is cogent, incisive, and to the point. > > This Pitting strikes me as just one more American disagreeing with yet another American on some politcal level, in a seemingly endless list of disagreements. Rather like two fleas arguing who owns the dog they’re living on. You spend all that time typing out all that shit yet you are too lazy to click on a link that explains everything _and_ has a video. You sound like a bored high school teacher that can’t find a life. Probably the people that know you rate you a 1 out of 10. Maybe you should recommend to the mods that they turn on the rating feature. You can spend the rest of your miserable life rating SDMB threads. Better yet, keep your own list because most of us don’t give a flying fuck what your rating is. Now go back to grading your papers. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/190 "2011-10-06T13:05:32Z")
> [@Capitaine\_Zombie](#): > > The right side of the Atlantic. > And, yes it is certainly an American custom. Not certain if it is purely US, but it is definitely American. Most people over here would probably think it’s as weird to give your own name to your kid than it is to give a human name to a dog. My dogs are named Alfred and Lucy. On the other hand, the only name my daughter shares with either of us parents is her last name. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/191 "2011-10-06T13:57:10Z")
> [@R.P.McMurphy](#): > > You spend all that time typing out all that shit yet you are too lazy to click on a link that explains everything _and_ has a video. You sound like a bored high school teacher that can’t find a life. Probably the people that know you rate you a 1 out of 10. > > Maybe you should recommend to the mods that they turn on the rating feature. You can spend the rest of your miserable life rating SDMB threads. Better yet, keep your own list because most of us don’t give a flying fuck what your rating is. Now go back to grading your papers. Oh, _hush_,\*\* R.P.\*\* You know \*\*Boo Boo Foo \*\*is just feeling left out because his homeland has no history of rowdy politics, colorful characters, or curious origin stories to share with us. ---
**Author:** ![Uncle\_Jocko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uncle_jocko/32/2932_2.png) [@Uncle\_Jocko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncle_Jocko)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/192 "2011-10-06T15:24:19Z")
And now the latest news is that ESPN is permanently dropping Hank’s rowdy song as the Monday Night Football opening. [Hank gets the boot.](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/sports/football/hank-williams-jr-dropped-permanently-from-monday-night-football.html) A great quote from that article, as Mr. Williams says ESPN has “stepped on the toes of his First Amendment rights…” Such a Constitutional scholar, ol’ Hank is. People from both sides of the political spectrum don’t seem to get that the First Amendment guarantees your right to free speech without being, you know, thrown in jail or executed or otherwise muffled by the _government_. It doesn’t protect you from the private-sector consequences of your _employer_ discipining or firing you for saying something monumentally stupid. You can compare whomever you want to Hitler, Hank, my boy. Just suck it up and take the consequences for saying it like a man. Perhaps Fox Sports will finally get rid of that stupid robot they use for their football coverage and have you join them! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/193 "2011-10-06T15:50:50Z")
Wish they were robots. Most importantly, so I wouldn’t feel bad about rooting for the home team to deliver more brain damage than they recieive, and second, maybe the goddam wimp-ass Vikings would have a fucking prayer. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/194 "2011-10-06T16:22:50Z")
> [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](#): > > I give this pitting a 1 out of 10. > …\* \*_Whiny nonsense omitted to spare the reader_ You show up on page 4 to complain about the way the OP is written?! If you’re going to do the stupid, unfunny “rate the pit” shtick, you need to get it in within the first 10 replies or so. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/195 "2011-10-06T17:28:11Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > So where’s the outrage from the right wing and country radio here? They didn’t seem too happy the last time a country singer insulted the POTUS during time of war. That was ummmm different. This Pres is a librul a Dem and a ni@@@r Yes I said it. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/196 "2011-10-06T17:31:00Z")
Right Wing Loopholes R Us: The Dixie Chicks insulted the president while in a _ **foriegn country** _, so it’s worse. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/197 "2011-10-06T22:48:40Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That was ummmm different. This Pres is a librul a Dem and a ni@@@r > > Yes I said it. The sheriff’s a _what?_ ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/198 "2011-10-06T22:55:53Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > That was ummmm different. This Pres is a librul a Dem and a ni@@@r > > Yes I said it. Actually, you didn’t. If you’re going to use the word nigger, have some balls and type it out. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/199 "2011-10-06T23:16:19Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Actually, you didn’t. > > If you’re going to use the word nigger, have some balls and type it out. Yeah, no shi!t! -Joe, can’t stand that ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/200 "2011-10-06T23:19:56Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Actually, you didn’t. > > If you’re going to use the word nigger, have some balls and type it out. That dodge always bothered me, like a woman saying “She’s a word I won’t say but it starts with B”. It’s less noticeable, and even less offensive, to just say the word instead of pretending you aren’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512.md?page=11)