# Pit -100 for Hank Williams, Jr. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 4, 2011, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512 "2011-10-04T02:35:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/61 "2011-10-04T15:45:29Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Hey, dumb fuck, read the thread and _then_ post. Oh, my bad. Did I miss Trepa’s post that said “Heh. Sorry, guys. This is embarrassing. I misunderstood analogies completely. I forgot that A and C don’t have any relationship to each other in analogies. I realize I’m an idiot and won’t post anymore in this thread.” Oh, that never happened? Then shut the fuck up. > [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > I’m sorry, Chessic, your analogy doesn’t hold in this case, especially in light of Mr. Williams admitting that he was comparing Obama to Hitler. So you think these two sentences are accurate and make sense? > [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > First of all, he is comparing Boehner and Obama to Netayahu and Hitler. The obvious implication is that he is comparing Boehner to Netayahu and Obama to Hitler. …despite that being the exact opposite of how analogies are used? If he’d said “Obama:Hitler::Netanyaho:Moses”, you’d/Trepa’d have a point. But he didn’t. Obama and Hitler were on opposite sides of the analogy. Question: Do you think men are like bicycles? Why or why not? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/62 "2011-10-04T15:59:44Z")
Sorry **Onomatopoeia** , sometimes you gotta call a dumb fuck a dumb fuck. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/63 "2011-10-04T16:21:55Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > It’s always funny how the truly reactionary rightards feel the need to use words like “sense” and “reason” and the like in their usernames. This is a truism worth noting. It’s wider than the SDMB. If a comment under a news article has ‘common sense’ or ‘reason’ or ‘truth’ in the moniker, the likelihood of their spewing knee-jerk specious reasoning goes up substantially. If they, through avatar or misattributed quote or the like, invoke a founding father, the probability is close to 100%. ---
**Author:** ![Troppus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a587f6/32.png) [@Troppus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troppus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/64 "2011-10-04T16:24:38Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Irina Dunn compared women and men to fish and bicycles. The obvious implication is that she thinks women are like fish and men are like bicycles…right? > > Oh, wait. That’s not how analogies work. Analogies compare one relationship to another, but it doesn’t compare the objects mentioned. “A is to B as C is to D” says nothing about how A and C are related, nor about B and D’s relationship. This is, like, the first thing they teach you about analogies when you’re 8. Even grade school students know this. You must have been absent that day. > > Obama:Boehner::Hitler:Netanyaho in no way implies that Obama and Hitler are alike. Unless, of course, you don’t understand how analogies work. But hey, your failed attempt to understand the easily understandable is admirable, too. It’s fine if you want to credit a high school drop out with a decades-long history of drug and alcohol abuse with grokking the nuances of analogies, but a billion+ dollar corporation decided to wash its hands of him due to his ham-fisted comments, which trumps your defense. Maybe Williams can record a howl for your answering machine so you don’t feel deprived of his either talent or political acumen. I wonder if you’d offer a similarly generous analysis of Dixie Chicks star Natalie Maines’ anti-war comments during the Bush administration. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/65 "2011-10-04T16:32:50Z")
> [@bup](#): > > This is a truism worth noting. It’s wider than the SDMB. If a comment under a news article has ‘common sense’ or ‘reason’ or ‘truth’ in the moniker, the likelihood of their spewing knee-jerk specious reasoning goes up substantially. If they, through avatar or misattributed quote or the like, invoke a founding father, the probability is close to 100%. Frequently so, no doubt, unless that username modestly invokes clarity and simplicity. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/66 "2011-10-04T16:42:19Z")
So… the singer who recorded _If the South Woulda Won_ says something that was probably offensive\*, and people are surprised? :dubious: \*Like **Scylla** , I have no idea what he was trying to say, so I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt WRT whether he was actually calling Obama Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/67 "2011-10-04T16:46:55Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > It’s always funny how the truly reactionary rightards feel the need to use words like “sense” and “reason” and the like in their usernames. My username has nothing to do with reason or common sense. In fact, it’s the opposite. > [@Troppus](#): > > It’s fine if you want to credit a high school drop out with a decades-long history of drug and alcohol abuse with grokking the nuances of analogies, but a billion+ dollar corporation decided to wash its hands of him due to his ham-fisted comments, which trumps your defense. Maybe Williams can record a howl for your answering machine so you don’t feel deprived of his either talent or political acumen. > > I wonder if you’d offer a similarly generous analysis of Dixie Chicks star Natalie Maines’ anti-war comments during the Bush administration. It’s not a nuance. It’s the whole fucking concept. And high school drop out or not, I’m of the understanding that Mr. Williams can speak the English language. It’s not his fault that liberals only heard “Obama…Hitler…” and ignored the words in between or somehow decided to ignore what they learned in third grade. And show me the analogy that Maines made that you’re referring to. I’m unfamiliar with it. I’ll just repeat what **Sigmagirl** said: > [@Sigmagirl](#): > > What’s wrong with comparing Obama to Hitler anyway? > > Barack Obama is taller than Hitler was. > > There, I just compared Obama to Hitler. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/68 "2011-10-04T16:51:12Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > It’s not a nuance. It’s the whole fucking concept. And high school drop out or not, I’m of the understanding that Mr. Williams can speak the English language. It’s not his fault that liberals only heard “Obama…Hitler…” and ignored the words in between or somehow decided to ignore what they learned in third grade. Whose fault is it that you didn’t hear the part right after it? > [@](#): > > Anchor Gretchen Carlson later said to him, “You used the name of one of the most hated people in all of the world to describe, I think, the president.” Williams replied, “Well, that is true. But I’m telling you like it is.” ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/69 "2011-10-04T16:51:13Z")
> [@Troppus](#): > > I wonder if you’d offer a similarly generous analysis of Dixie Chicks star Natalie Maines’ anti-war comments during the Bush administration. Yeah, good thing he didn’t say he was ashamed the president was from his home state, because that would be, you know, crossing the line. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/70 "2011-10-04T16:52:30Z")
> [@joebuck20](#): > > Yeah, good thing he didn’t say he was ashamed the president was from his home state, because that would be, you know, crossing the line. Well, in fairness, he _is_ from Upper Austria. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/71 "2011-10-04T16:55:23Z")
Why the heck do people waste time interviewing celebrities about politics in the first place? Yeah, I know, a soundbite of Teh Stoopid is “worth” more from a celeb than from a man on the street, but come on. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/72 "2011-10-04T16:55:23Z")
I call bullshit on this notion that “Netanyaho:Hitler” was suppose to convey nothing more than polar opposites. Point to me one instance in the past 50 years where Hitler hasn’t been held up as the paragon of evil. The absolute worstest or the worstest thing there is. There are a million ferinstances he could have glommed onto to convey polar opposition: It’s like Cats and Dogs golfing together. It’s like Red Sox and Yankees golfing togetehr. It’s like Tastes Great and Less Filling golfing together. I wonder why, for one of his polar opposites, he conveniently latched onto the one buzz-word, so buzz-wordy that it has it’s own place in debate lore. Paging Mr. Godwin. You expect me to believe this fucking hick wasn’t intending to conflate Hitler with Obama? That dawg won’t hunt. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/73 "2011-10-04T16:57:35Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Point to me one instance in the past 50 years where Hitler hasn’t been held up as the paragon of evil. The absolute worstest or the worstest thing there is. He’s occasionally cited as a pioneer in facial hair design. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/74 "2011-10-04T17:02:16Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > He’s occasionally cited as a pioneer in facial hair design. Pioneer my ass! Because of that asshole, the Charlie Chaplin mustache can never be worn again!! ---
**Author:** ![G-SE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f0a364/32.png) [@G-SE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/G-SE)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/75 "2011-10-04T17:07:11Z")
> [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > Seriously stupid. > > First of all, he is comparing Boehner and Obama to Netayahu and Hitler. The obvious implication is that he is comparing Boehner to Netayahu and Obama to Hitler. Second, yes, he says “they are enemies”, and then clarifies, “Obama! And Biden! Are you kidding? The Three Stooges.”. Clearly he means Obama and Biden are the enemies (to America), not your idea that Obama and Boehner are enemies to each other. This makes the Obama/Hitler comparison even more clear. Thirdly, he defends his analogy by referring to “the shape the country’s in”. That would make sense if he thought Obama was comparable to Hitler. It wouldn’t make sense if he thought that the debate in congress was too heated; in that case, it would make sense for him to say ‘the state the **government’s** in’. > > Your spin is an admirable attempt to spin the unspinnable, though. Holy hell - the stupid is strong with you. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/76 "2011-10-04T17:10:26Z")
Translation: “I don’t know what the hell he was saying, either, but I’m going to defend him because I don’t like Obama.” ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/77 "2011-10-04T17:14:16Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Point to me one instance in the past 50 years where Hitler hasn’t been held up as the paragon of evil. The absolute worstest or the worstest thing there is. Do you deny that he is also pointed to as someone who had supreme oratory skills when speaking to large crowds? ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/78 "2011-10-04T17:14:42Z")
This is what happens when you have too much air time and not enough content. You end up interviewing random B-list celebrities and most have as much business discussing politics as I have getting up on stage and playing a guitar. P.S. I quite enjoyed Pink’s version of the MNF song. Or was that Sunday night football? Or Thursday? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/79 "2011-10-04T17:18:00Z")
He’s a good ol’ boy. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512/80 "2011-10-04T17:22:59Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Do you deny that he is also pointed to as someone who had supreme oratory skills when speaking to large crowds? What’s your point? Is Netanyahu a deaf-mute or something? If you idly hear the phrase, “He’s worse than Hitler,” do you assume the speaker is saying the subject of their ire is an evil motherfucker of some stripe, or that he doesn’t speak well in public? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-100-for-hank-williams-jr/598512.md?page=5)