# Pit Bulls (continued) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714 "2013-10-08T19:18:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/581 "2014-01-03T20:19:37Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > An average of ~8 kids per year killed by a (supposed) pit is “dozens”? When you have very little data backing up your hysterical point of view you have a tendency to exaggerate the tiny bit of data that does exist. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/582 "2014-01-03T20:58:36Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > An average of ~8 kids per year killed by a (supposed) pit is “dozens”? > [@Stoid](#): > > When you have very little data backing up your hysterical point of view you have a tendency to exaggerate the tiny bit of data that does exist. Well, he said chewing up AND killing. If 8 kids a year are killed, I gotta assume a great deal many more are injured. Or chewed up a bit, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/583 "2014-01-03T21:06:13Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Well, he said chewing up AND killing. If 8 kids a year are killed, I gotta assume a great deal many more are injured. That’s “or”, not “and”. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/584 "2014-01-03T21:08:21Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > An average of ~8 kids per year killed by a (supposed) pit is “dozens”? It’s as if we’ve been talking to walls. The haters will never get it because they don’t _want_ to get it. Meanwhile, the daughter on the motorcycle whose femur was sticking out of her leg is still in ICU. Her father, who was the rider, turns out to have been an LAPD officer. If she dies due to his negligence, should we start frothing about banning cops now, too? ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/585 "2014-01-03T21:08:54Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > You think people are insane how about a reputable organization that has identified each of these dog as pit bull mixes. Some of them I see almost no resemblance to Staffordshire Bull Terrier’s but that’s just me. Let me know what you think. > > [Photo Storage](http://s1314.photobucket.com/user/boytyperanma/library/) > [@dropzone](#): > > I think that the second one in the top row, though probably a Collie/Golden, looks a lot like that “wolf” I had. More fun with regression toward the mean! > [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Yes, the shit is still insane. The dog second row, second column, for instance. Anyone who calls that a pit bull is just fucking insane, I don’t care how ‘reputable’ it is claimed that they are. > [@pulykamell](#): > > Most of those look reasonably part pit to me, but that one was certainly a surprise. Same with the little guy directly to the right. > [@Shayna](#): > > That’s insane! I can see a little PBT in maybe seven of those dogs; the other five, no fucking way. One of them is a chihuahua for god’s sake! I pulled them off of Wisdom Panel’s site. Wisdom Panel is the largest DNA database for canines. They sell DNA testing to the public. As there is no DNA exclusively linked to any given breed the best science can offer is looking at the DNA and comparing it to the DNA of dogs that have been certified AKC breeds. The breed results they give are probable lineage. As it appears we can’t scientifically determine breed. It’s shown repeatedly people can’t accurately determine breed based on looks. How are these media reports determining the attacks taking place are by ‘pit bulls’ If there is no paper trail documenting the lineage to a AKC ‘pit bull’ it’s impossible to say the dog was a pit bull. I know that sounds like a no true Scotsman defense but if you have no way of actually determining someones Scotish herritage it is a pretty valid defense. We still have the problem of no trait exists that can explain why a ‘pit bull’ is a more dangerous dog. If it is a physical thing, their are plenty of other dogs with the same physical capacities. If it is a mental thing there are plenty of other breeds with the same mental capacities. If it’s a combination of the two why should breed mixes that have the same combined characteristics be excluded from breed bans. Chihuahuas are notorious for being vicious little bastards but no ones concerned about them killing people because their size. Leonberger’s are huge dogs but are gentle natured so no one seams concerned about them. Shouldn’t we have reason to be concerned about a chihuahua/leonberger crossbreed? Why not ban them? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/586 "2014-01-03T21:11:59Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > I pulled them off of Wisdom Panel’s site. Wisdom Panel is the largest DNA database for canines. They sell DNA testing to the public. As there is no DNA exclusively linked to any given breed the best science can offer is looking at the DNA and comparing it to the DNA of dogs that have been certified AKC breeds. The breed results they give are probable lineage. > > As it appears we can’t scientifically determine breed. It’s shown repeatedly people can’t accurately determine breed based on looks. How are these media reports determining the attacks taking place are by ‘pit bulls’ If there is no paper trail documenting the lineage to a AKC ‘pit bull’ it’s impossible to say the dog was a pit bull. I know that sounds like a no true Scotsman defense but if you have no way of actually determining someones Scotish herritage it is a pretty valid defense. > > We still have the problem of no trait exists that can explain why a ‘pit bull’ is a more dangerous dog. If it is a physical thing, their are plenty of other dogs with the same physical capacities. If it is a mental thing there are plenty of other breeds with the same mental capacities. If it’s a combination of the two why should breed mixes that have the same combined characteristics be excluded from breed bans. > > Chihuahuas are notorious for being vicious little bastards but no ones concerned about them killing people because their size. Leonberger’s are huge dogs but are gentle natured so no one seams concerned about them. Shouldn’t we have reason to be concerned about a chihuahua/leonberger crossbreed? Why not ban them? +1 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/587 "2014-01-03T23:26:49Z")
> [@Nzinga\_Seated](#): > > Well, he said chewing up AND killing. If 8 kids a year are killed, I gotta assume a great deal many more are injured. Or chewed up a bit, as it were. Kids need to get chewed up a bit, now and then. Teaches them, and their little brothers who saw them get bit while trying to break up a fight between evenly matched dogs that didn’t like each other, not to be stupid around dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/588 "2014-01-03T23:41:50Z")
LOL dropzone. You’re cracking me up in this thread. Thank you for that. +1 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2014, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/589 "2014-01-03T23:47:46Z")
I live to serve, madame. ETA: However, I am dead serious about a lot of things I said. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/590 "2014-01-04T01:04:14Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Yes, because when I was 15, my 10-year-old family pet jumped up and bit my friend completely unexpectedly when he thought she was going for some food sitting next to the phone she was actually reaching for, I should never own a dog in my entire life. > > You’re a goddamn idiot. I can’t fuckin believe you. You blame _every_ pitbull attack on the owner, yet when your dachshund is “ripping my friend Robyn’s face open” you fail to acknowledge you guilt. Actually I’m being slightly sarcastic because you lie. What was ripping open your friend"s face to make a point on BSL is now just a bite to mitigate responsibility. Fine, shit happens, it wasn’t your fault but be glad your pet wasn’t a pit bull or the like, cause then you wouldn’t want to look at Robyn’s face. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/591 "2014-01-04T04:12:58Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I can’t fuckin believe you. You blame _every_ pitbull attack on the owner, yet when your dachshund is “ripping my friend Robyn’s face open” you fail to acknowledge you guilt. > > Actually I’m being slightly sarcastic because you lie. What was ripping open your friend"s face to make a point on BSL is now just a bite to mitigate responsibility. > > Fine, shit happens, it wasn’t your fault but be glad your pet wasn’t a pit bull or the like, cause then you wouldn’t want to look at Robyn’s face. You really are dumber than a brick, aren’t you? Where did I say we didn’t take responsibility for our dog biting someone? Go on, show me. Oh, you can’t? That’s because it’s a LIE. Of _course_ we took responsibility. We paid for her to have plastic surgery to fix the gash so she wouldn’t have a scar for fuck’s sake. That’s _still_ no fucking good reason why _I_ should never be allowed to have a dog in my life because the dog my family had when I was a _teenager_ bit someone. You fucking dumbass pile of stool. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/592 "2014-01-04T04:15:02Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I live to serve, madame. ETA: However, I am dead serious about a lot of things I said. I can see that, and I agree with much of what you’ve said. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/593 "2014-01-04T04:49:31Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > I can see that, and I agree with much of what you’ve said. > > Carry on. Yeah, but–and don’t take this the wrong way because we go way back in a mostly positive way and I like to think of you and **Spiny** as a couple of my imaginary friends–you are one of the shrill ones and sometimes it’s hard to hear what you are saying because of how you are saying it. Relax and let their words roll off you like rain off a duck. They have no real power over you and you have no power over them, and this discussion was finished long before this thread was started, as far as any of the participants are concerned. But there I go, getting pompous again. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/594 "2014-01-04T04:54:15Z")
> [@shayna](#): > > you fucking dumbass pile of stool. **bitch** ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/595 "2014-01-04T05:12:34Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Yeah, but–and don’t take this the wrong way because we go way back in a mostly positive way and I like to think of you and **Spiny** as a couple of my imaginary friends–you are one of the shrill ones and sometimes it’s hard to hear what you are saying because of how you are saying it. Relax and let their words roll off you like rain off a duck. They have no real power over you and you have no power over them, and this discussion was finished long before this thread was started, as far as any of the participants are concerned. > > But there I go, getting pompous again. Sorry. I don’t take it badly at all. I know I’m being shrill here … I _feel_ shrill toward these morons. If this were a conversation in IMHO I’d engage in an entirely different way. But it’s The Pit, so I get to let loose, which sometimes I enjoy. 🙂 > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > **bitch** Lame. [Ripe bloody fucking cunt](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=160791) has that beat by miles. Next time try harder. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/596 "2014-01-04T05:39:01Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > But it’s The Pit, so I get to let loose, which sometimes I enjoy. 🙂 Lame. Okay, that I understand. I’ve been accused of trolling because it feels so good to get real mad, even if I really don’t care that much about the topic. But I don’t care much about much, except maybe dogs. I like dogs. ETA: Much more than I like people. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/597 "2014-01-04T06:15:55Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Okay, that I understand. I’ve been accused of trolling because it feels so good to get real mad, even if I really don’t care that much about the topic. But I don’t care much about much, except maybe dogs. I like dogs. ETA: Much more than I like people. Most dogs are better than most people. Except my awesome **Spiny** — [he’s a god](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=712080). ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/598 "2014-01-04T12:24:18Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > **bitch** **puppy-grabber**! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/599 "2014-01-04T19:08:15Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Of _course_ we took responsibility. We paid for her to have plastic surgery to fix the gash so she wouldn’t have a scar for fuck’s sake. How many stitches and operations? ? Just this past year, twice, my sister’s daschund ,Abby, suddenly jumped and attacked my face , once when I was bent over and once in the chair. No one could figure out what was the provocation. Never happened to anyone else. No blood though, no harm. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2014, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/600 "2014-01-04T19:22:39Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > How many stitches and operations? ? > > Just this past year, twice, my sister’s daschund ,Abby, suddenly jumped and attacked my face , once when I was bent over and once in the chair. No one could figure out what was the provocation. Never happened to anyone else. No blood though, no harm. I’m 52 years old. I have no idea how many stitches someone else needed 37 years ago. Why? Does it matter? So given my long-dead dachshund’s face-biting incident and your present two-time face-biting incidents from your sister’s dachshund, why aren’t you advocating for the banning of dachshunds? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=31)