# Pit Bulls (continued) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714 "2013-10-08T19:18:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/621 "2014-01-05T23:23:55Z")
The fatalities resulting from Daschunds that **Shayna** cited merely reflect the fact that infants and family dogs of any breed should never be left alone together. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2014, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/622 "2014-01-05T23:52:28Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > “ **Over 2/3 of the Pit Bulls in the study never showed any aggression to other dogs** ” > > That can translate to 33.3% of Pit Bulls had signs of aggression towards other dogs, which is higher than 30.8 % and 30.3 % for Jack Russels and Daschunds. > > Sort of contradicts the conclusion or at the very least reveals an agenda driven study. No it sort of shows you haven’t bothered to read the study or you lack reading comprehension. Instances of aggression and the aggressive percentage are different things. A dog showing aggression towards a particular dog rates different then a dog that is aggressive towards all dogs. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/623 "2014-01-06T00:12:13Z")
Numbers are totally fucked off in this thread on this topic…dont’ sweat it. ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheField](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/13edae/32.png) [@LilyoftheField](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheField)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/624 "2014-01-06T00:21:43Z")
okay…so i’m just trying to catch up with this endless thread here…but I got the impression (and please correct me if I’m wrong!) that I’m being accused of being ‘evasive’ because I don’t have any pics of my non show type, totally mixed breed dog in a ‘show stance’?? am I wrong here? 'cuz I really don’t understand what the relevance of that would be, even if I had such a pic, which I don’t. Am I supposed to be showing that my dog looks like a pitbull or that he doesn’t??? that appears to be pretty subjective. My only point was that if my dog, who is not overtly pitbullish, but - might be seen as such in the general DNA group - could be mistaken for one by at least a percentage of the general public, well, what is that based on? As far as I can tell, it’s based on being a medium sized, short coated, blunt muzzled dog, with a little flashy coloring too - oh, and did I mention, he’s just a little bit brindly looking too - yeah I think brindle coloring gets included in the ‘bad rap’ too. yeah, so I still don’t have a good answer to what is a ‘pitbull type’? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/625 "2014-01-06T00:24:22Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Just a hunch here, but I’m guessing that someone running their own business and advertising would list any and all relevant education, qualifications, certifications and credentials they could get their hands on. Simply doing something for 20 years doesn’t make anyone an ‘expert’ at anything if they’ve never been properly trained in the first place. Do you think someone working as a fortune teller for 20 years is an expert in reading minds and conversing with the dead? > > No, your ‘expert’ is merely lucky in that she’s working in essentially a completely unregulated industry with clueless clients. I can’t believe I missed this little chunk of ridiculousness. First, you are apparently unfamiliar with the Ten Thousand Hour rule. Which is debated from various angles, but has enough truth in it that anyone who understands it would never have made such a silly post. Next…Huh? By which I mean… do you intend to suggest that the issue of the fortune teller is a lack of proper training in the telling of fortunes? Or do you mean to suggest that rehabilitating aggressive dogs is an activity that is as questionable in its legitimacy as fortune telling? If it’s not either, then I confess I’m all out of ideas as to what you were going for. And if you find the whole notion of expertise in this arena questionable, due to the “completely unregulated” nature of the industry, then by what inside-out logic do you denigrate her expertise because she lacks certification, credentials, and the other accoutrement common to industries which are regulated and standardized in ways that this is clearly not? You are flailing, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/626 "2014-01-06T00:38:54Z")
> [@LilyoftheField](#): > > yeah, so I still don’t have a good answer to what is a ‘pitbull type’? This website is BURSTING with excellent information, including some help with this issue. [http://www.workingpitbull.com/amstaffpit2.html](http://www.workingpitbull.com/amstaffpit2.html) I also suggest anyone who really wants to be educated about these dogs take the time to do some reading. Set aside your prejudice and learn something. After all, we’re Dopers, right? That’s what we do. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/627 "2014-01-06T00:53:47Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > “ **Over 2/3 of the Pit Bulls in the study never showed any aggression to other dogs** ” > > That can translate to 33.3% of Pit Bulls had signs of aggression towards other dogs, which is higher than 30.8 % and 30.3 % for Jack Russels and Daschunds. > > Sort of contradicts the conclusion or at the very least reveals an agenda driven study. The writer used shorthand to express the percentage of pit bulls that showed aggression, but clearly stated that the 30.8% and 30.3% were _higher_ than that of pit bull aggression according to the study. So “over 2/3” clearly is a number in excess of 69.2 percent, which, again, the author “rounded” to “over 2/3.” The bottom line is, the study found three other breeds with higher propensity for dog aggression than pit bulls, one of which was the dachshund. If you want the exact number, go find the study. > [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > The fatalities resulting from Daschunds that **Shayna** cited merely reflect the fact that infants and family dogs of any breed should never be left alone together. Which is what we’ve been saying all along. There would be a lot fewer child deaths from pit bull attacks had they not be _left alone_ with the animals. And as you have now admitted, _dogs of any breed should **never** be left alone with infants._ > [@LilyoftheField](#): > > okay…so i’m just trying to catch up with this endless thread here…but I got the impression (and please correct me if I’m wrong!) that I’m being accused of being ‘evasive’ because I don’t have any pics of my non show type, totally mixed breed dog in a ‘show stance’?? am I wrong here? Nope, you pretty much summed up the unreasonable expectation. > [@Stoid](#): > > I can’t believe I missed this little chunk of ridiculousness. > > First, you are apparently unfamiliar with the Ten Thousand Hour rule. Which is debated from various angles, but has enough truth in it that anyone who understands it would never have made such a silly post. > > Next…Huh? > > By which I mean… do you intend to suggest that the issue of the fortune teller is a lack of proper training in the telling of fortunes? Or do you mean to suggest that rehabilitating aggressive dogs is an activity that is as questionable in its legitimacy as fortune telling? If it’s not either, then I confess I’m all out of ideas as to what you were going for. > > And if you find the whole notion of expertise in this arena questionable, due to the “completely unregulated” nature of the industry, then by what inside-out logic do you denigrate her expertise because she lacks certification, credentials, and the other accoutrement common to industries which are regulated and standardized in ways that this is clearly not? > > You are flailing, sir. I’m not “certified” by anyone in my field either, but I’m a professional and considered an expert in it nonetheless, due to my years of experience working in it. Funny how that works, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/628 "2014-01-06T04:01:03Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > There would be a lot fewer child deaths from pit bull attacks had they not be _left alone_ with the animals. And as you have now admitted, _dogs of any breed should **never** be left alone with infants._ Actually, if I read it right, in two of the Dachshund incidents, the little fuckers pretty much hunted down the kids, dragging them out of their cribs, out of sleep…most dogs at least have the decency to wait until the kid is being obnoxious! ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/629 "2014-01-06T07:17:11Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > I’m not “certified” by anyone in my field either, but I’m a professional and considered an expert in it nonetheless, due to my years of experience working in it. Funny how that works, huh? Are you advising on government oversight issues or new legislation? ---
**Author:** ![DragonAsh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DragonAsh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DragonAsh)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/630 "2014-01-06T07:37:15Z")
Alan Beck certainly has his critics - but he’s considerably [more experienced](http://https://vet.purdue.edu/directory/person.php?id=64) than your ‘expert’. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/631 "2014-01-06T10:31:32Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > Alan Beck certainly has his critics - but he’s considerably [more experienced](http://https://vet.purdue.edu/directory/person.php?id=64) than your ‘expert’. Experienced at what, apart from pocketing the checks of people who pay him to testify to his personal opinion, based on nothing scientific? Your link was drawing a blank page, so I googled him myself. He’s a shill that has no special knowledge of any kind about pit bulls. What he has is a willingness to take money to say what the people who hire him want him to say. And he evidently says it with great authority, making it seem to many otherwise intelligent and educated people that he’s saying something scientifically valid. Even though he’s not. Really, Dragon, this court whore talking out his ass isyour idea of an expert on the subject of pit bull aggression? Based on what, the fact that he has a PhD and agrees with you? [http://caveat.typepad.com/blog/2006/11/the-pros-and-cons-of-breed-bans.html](http://caveat.typepad.com/blog/2006/11/the-pros-and-cons-of-breed-bans.html) Read that in its entirety, including the material at the end. Get an education, man, you are dealing death blows to the SD ethos… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/632 "2014-01-06T16:10:27Z")
> [@DragonAsh](#): > > I’ll hop on board the anti-daschund bandwagon when we have news stories of them killing dozens of kids. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > What is being claimed is [dozens of kids a year are chewed to death by pit bulls](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16982098&postcount=579). Still waiting for those news stories to back this up. Or are you hopping _off_ that anti-pit bull bandwagon? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/633 "2014-01-06T16:38:54Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Still waiting for those news stories to back this up. Or are you hopping _off_ that anti-pit bull bandwagon? Back up? From Dragon Ash–? Silly Skywatcher… ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/634 "2014-01-06T16:43:39Z")
When one asks silly questions… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/635 "2014-01-06T16:54:43Z")
Seriously, is even a modicum of logical consistency really too much to ask? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/636 "2014-01-06T16:57:48Z")
I’d like to offer my answer to the people who were wondering: “why a pitbull? Why not other breeds?” I have described how I came to choose a pitbull before I ever had one, but having had one now for about 8 months, The thing that I love about this dog so far (that I am told is very much a pitbull feature, not a bug) Is her enjoyment of/incredibly high tolerance for physical affection from me. Most people don’t realize that dogs don’t actually care to be hugged, as a rule. They learn to tolerate it for our sakes. But in my pibble’s case, she loves it. She loves very intense physical closeness, and so do I. And out of all the dogs I’ve ever had, She is far and away the most satisfying in this regard. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/637 "2014-01-06T18:10:56Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Experienced at what, apart from pocketing the checks of people who pay him to testify to his personal opinion, based on nothing scientific? > > Your link was drawing a blank page, so I googled him myself. He’s a shill that has no special knowledge of any kind about pit bulls. What he has is a willingness to take money to say what the people who hire him want him to say. And he evidently says it with great authority, making it seem to many otherwise intelligent and educated people that he’s saying something scientifically valid. Even though he’s not. > > Really, Dragon, this court whore talking out his ass isyour idea of an expert on the subject of pit bull aggression? Based on what, the fact that he has a PhD and agrees with you? > > [http://caveat.typepad.com/blog/2006/11/the-pros-and-cons-of-breed-bans.html](http://caveat.typepad.com/blog/2006/11/the-pros-and-cons-of-breed-bans.html) > > Read that in its entirety, including the material at the end. Get an education, man, you are dealing death blows to the SD ethos… Wow — absolutely fascinating read from start to finish. That self-proclaimed “expert” who knows nothing about pit bull type breeds, let alone Thing One about scientific study, would be eviscerated on the stand at The Straight Dope. He “teaches” about the human/animal bond and I’m supposed to find him more credible than a woman who has worked daily for twenty years on training aggressive dogs in particular? That’s a joke, right? Purdue sure seems [to hire its share of whack jobs](http://academeblog.org/2013/07/17/why-mitch-daniels-must-be-fired/). ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/638 "2014-01-06T19:24:43Z")
Meanwhile, a woman is killed this week by a pit bull in Texas - [http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/1-Person-Dies-2-Hurt-in-Pit-Bull-Attack-238785781.html](http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/1-Person-Dies-2-Hurt-in-Pit-Bull-Attack-238785781.html) while another woman has “life threatening” injuries from her pit bull mauling her insider her apartment (it continued chasing her outside her apartment- and heaven forbid - the police saved her life by shooting the land shark - yet another police use of deadly force via gun to save yet another nutter - something you will never read about in “The Pit Bull Placebo” writing by Karen Delise - founder of the NCRC National Canine research Council. She writes that “police ride into town with both guns blazing at anything that resembles a pit bull” while making no mention of the weekly police shootings that save lives - often the lives of nutters. > **[Woman attacked by pit bull inside Carter County apartment](https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/woman-attacked-by-pit-bull-inside-carter-county-apartment/article_58d1c291-2b50-5f3f-9eaf-66a4153a3e64.html)** > > ELIZABETHTON — A woman suffered “life-threatening” injuries from an attack by a 1-1/2 year old pit bull dog early Sunday morning, Carter County Sheriff Chris Mathes said.Mathes did not identify Looks like 2014 is off to yet another banner year for pit bulls. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/639 "2014-01-06T19:35:46Z")
How were the dogs identified as pit bulls? Two of them are on the loose and have never been seen by the police of the media. That’s some quality reporting. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/640 "2014-01-06T20:15:22Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > another woman has “life threatening” injuries from her pit bull “[S]he may have been dogsitting the animal for someone else.” Looks like another banner year for a sensational lack of reading comprehension. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=33)