# Pit Bulls (continued) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714 "2013-10-08T19:18:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/641 "2014-01-06T20:28:03Z")
From the comments: “They don’t know if the dog was hers or if she was dog sitting?? Everyone knows the dog was hers.” another: “The woman was so torn up that the officer could barely get any information out of her and BTW, neighbors that lived near her have been posting on the sites and they stated that the dog did indeed chase her outside and continued attacking her in front of the officer.” ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/642 "2014-01-06T20:29:53Z")
Yup, because internet comments on news stories are entirely trustworthy and should be taken in lieu of cash. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/643 "2014-01-06T20:53:11Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > How were the dogs identified as pit bulls? Two of them are on the loose and have never been seen by the police of the media. That’s some quality reporting. Maybe someone said “pit bull” in the comments! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/644 "2014-01-06T21:44:06Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > From the comments: > > “They don’t know if the dog was hers or if she was dog sitting?? Everyone knows the dog was hers.” How this is evidence of ANYTHING, exactly? “Everyone knows the dog was hers,” from some anonymous poster in a newspaper’s online comments section? Is this the sixth grade? Do you know there is actually a difference between truth and your imagination? I ask because I’m trying to determine if you are stupid or insane. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/645 "2014-01-06T22:04:21Z")
How about insanely stupid? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/646 "2014-01-06T22:43:43Z")
Or intuitively smart. They are now reporting she in fact owned the pit bull for 16 months. Her injuries were so severe, the paramedics had to ask a cop to drive the ambulance, so both medics could save her life. It took not one, not 2, but 3 point blank shots to kill the pit bull. Fucking morons (aka nutters) [http://www.wcyb.com/news/woman-has-lifethreatening-injuries-after-dog-attack/-/14590844/23780704/-/uly4hk/-/index.html](http://www.wcyb.com/news/woman-has-lifethreatening-injuries-after-dog-attack/-/14590844/23780704/-/uly4hk/-/index.html) “They shot [the dog] like three times. They had to,” said Moore. We’re told the 21-year-old victim was taken to the Johnson City Medical Center. “It was my understanding she wasn’t really able to move at that point,” said Markland. Markland told us she had an emergency surgery. He told News 5 that the victim’s wounds were so severe a deputy on scene had to drive the ambulance so both crew members could attend to the victim. Markland said they don’t know what caused the attack. “She had owned the dog for approximately 18 months, and had never had any problems with it prior to this whatsoever,” he said. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/647 "2014-01-06T22:48:03Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > Or intuitively smart. :rolleyes: [And so we come full circle.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16738955&postcount=12) You know what else is circular? Your logic and clock, and you’re a stopped one. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2014, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/648 "2014-01-06T23:46:27Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > Or intuitively smart. > > They are now reporting she in fact owned the pit bull for 16 months. > > Her injuries were so severe, the paramedics had to ask a cop to drive the ambulance, so both medics could save her life. > > It took not one, not 2, but 3 point blank shots to kill the pit bull. > > Fucking morons (aka nutters) > > [http://www.wcyb.com/news/woman-has-lifethreatening-injuries-after-dog-attack/-/14590844/23780704/-/uly4hk/-/index.html](http://www.wcyb.com/news/woman-has-lifethreatening-injuries-after-dog-attack/-/14590844/23780704/-/uly4hk/-/index.html) > > “They shot [the dog] like three times. They had to,” said Moore. > > We’re told the 21-year-old victim was taken to the Johnson City Medical Center. “It was my understanding she wasn’t really able to move at that point,” said Markland. > > Markland told us she had an emergency surgery. He told News 5 that the victim’s wounds were so severe a deputy on scene had to drive the ambulance so both crew members could attend to the victim. > > Markland said they don’t know what caused the attack. “She had owned the dog for approximately 18 months, and had never had any problems with it prior to this whatsoever,” he said. How was this dog identified as a pit bull? It says in the story the dog weighed a 100 pounds. Pit bulls don’t weigh a hundred pounds. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/649 "2014-01-07T01:30:32Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > How was this dog identified as a pit bull? It says in the story the dog weighed a 100 pounds. Pit bulls don’t weigh a hundred pounds. Gotti Line Pit bulls, web site: “He is the foundation for many XXL bully pitbulls weighing over 120 lbs” [http://www.hqbullies.com/info/gottiline-bloodline-history/](http://www.hqbullies.com/info/gottiline-bloodline-history/) another > **[Bossy Kennels](https://www.bossykennels.com/index.html)** > > XXL Blue Pitbulls For Sale Pitbull Puppies Breeder Monster 100 pound XXL [http://www.muglestonspitbullfarm.com/males.html](http://www.muglestonspitbullfarm.com/males.html) [http://www.thegatekeeperkennels.com/](http://www.thegatekeeperkennels.com/) I doubt the one in the attack this week weighed 100 lbs…that was just a comment made by someone at the scene. There were no weigh scales at the scene. Funny how nutters discredit any off hand comments by witnesses, unless they even remotely suggest an attack couldn’t have been by a pit bull. Then its an established and verified fact. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/650 "2014-01-07T01:40:01Z")
The Denial Not A Pit-bull Thread continues: [**Size and Weight of the Pit Bull Dog Breed**](http://www.dog-breeds-explained.com/pitbull-dog.html) > [@](#): > > Pit bulls can vary considerably in size. There are many adult specimens that weigh only a little over twenty pounds. Likewise, **there are some pit bulls that will tilt the scales at weights in excess of one hundred pounds**! Generally, pit bulls stand approximately twenty inches tall. – bolding mine. Unusual, yes, but they certainly can & do. Thus hardly a disclaimer as much as _yet another apology_ for one of the most dangerous & _widely spread_ dog breeds alive. “My Pit, Max, will lick you to death.” I’ll pass, licking or otherwise…just so happens I’ve read the **facts**. Of course, you are all welcome to keep [**believing the myth**](http://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/07/beyond-the-interview-essay-of-a-fatal-pit-bull-mauling.html). Niters. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/651 "2014-01-07T01:53:16Z")
Is this you? [**Pit bull owners :: Studies show that pit bull owners employ strategies to disguise the true nature of the breed by engaging in distortions, denial and overcompensation and by projecting blame after attacks.**](http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-owners.php) Many of the posts in this thread appear to indicate that some of you, indeed, are. Take a look in the mirror lately? ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/652 "2014-01-07T02:05:13Z")
her best freinds, are saying it was in fact a pit bull that she loved 100%: > **[WJHL](https://www.facebook.com/wjhlTV11)** > > WJHL, Johnson City, Tennessee. 218,864 likes · 24,899 talking about this. WJHL - News Channel 11 is the CBS news affiliate located in Johnson City, TN. Nix Ferrell writes: "And I don’t mean to be so blunt, I just don’t understand why all these people assume the worse. And this poor girl, my Very good friend, is lying in a hospital bed with life altering injuries, and you people have the audacity to basically say she deserved it by “mistreating” this dog. The only thing she ever showed this dog was love. You honestly should be ashamed, of those who are putting her down, instead of wishing her a safe recovery. Instead of judging her, maybe you should take another look at the person you are in life. Are you really the person who doesn’t even think about this poor girls well being, and instead jump to that she deserved it and the dog must of had a reason. What kind of individual does that make you. I for one, would never want to be you. I planned on not commenting on this, but it seems I have no choice because of the idiotic people we have in this city who are more judge mental on assuming the owner had mistreated this pit. Well I will not hold my tongue because this WOMAN has to be my dear friend. I have never met someone who was so attached to their animal. I own a husky myself which I will admit our relationship might be a little much because I seriously think she is my child and I have never loved an animal so much and I have never met someone like me except for this girl. She loved that dog more than anything. Practically every post is with him. Always playing, Always outside, which he was an inside dog always sleeping on her bed with her, always cuddling, always taking pictures, always HAPPY. She treated that dog like her own, like it literally was her furchild. He was her bestfriend. Sometimes things happen, and in this rare case, the pit just snapped on her for no reason. So those of you who have the audacity to sit here and state your claim on how she must of mistreated her dog, you should be ashamed of yourselves. I recently just left her side at the hospital and she was more SORRY and HEARTBROKEN about her pit than even thinking that she was nearly on her death bed. I don’t know what kind of mind set I would of had if given it was under the same circumstance, but for her, SHE cried for her dog. So for those who jumped to conclusions, GO TO HELL." ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/653 "2014-01-07T02:08:14Z")
from her friend Ace Dolin, who cleaned up the crime scene: “To all the local idiotic and heartless gossips who assume they understand about the “nature of the owner” and the “definite abuse” that this dog must have endured: you are wrong. This beautiful young lady is my friend who loved this dog with all her heart. The whole family did and would have never abused him. In all of my interactions with the dog, he was very gentle and loving. The simple situation is that red-line predatory behavior was activated, she fought for her life, and is extremely lucky to have survived. This family had recently relocated and possibly he was anxious or territorial. Obviously, there is a larger debate on the frequency of dog attacks and factors that lead up to them. I can understand that Pit Bull aficionados assert that Pit Bulls are just as benign as any other breed (or just as likely to attack than other breed.) The key difference is that this dog, a muscular, athletic pit, weighed more than the victim and was able to do significantly more damage to her body than a crazed Chihuahua or Poodle could have. I thought about this fact, as I cleaned up her blood and tissue from the walls, steps, sidewalks, and yard. I never did recover her missing biceps muscle, but I did find a blood-soaked shoulder pad, ripped from her clothes and threw it away. Afterward, I poured a large bottle of hydrogen peroxide into the apparent death location of the dog, with nostalgic respect. Please send positive energy and well wishes as she recovers and moves forward from this tragic situation. She will have an arduous journey yet.” ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/654 "2014-01-07T02:20:18Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > Gotti Line Pit bulls, web site: > > “He is the foundation for many XXL bully pitbulls weighing over 120 lbs” > > [http://www.hqbullies.com/info/gottiline-bloodline-history/](http://www.hqbullies.com/info/gottiline-bloodline-history/) > > another > > [XXL Blue Pitbulls Biggest Pitbull Puppies Kennel](http://www.bossykennels.com/index.html) > > [http://www.muglestonspitbullfarm.com/males.html](http://www.muglestonspitbullfarm.com/males.html) > > [http://www.thegatekeeperkennels.com/](http://www.thegatekeeperkennels.com/) > > I doubt the one in the attack this week weighed 100 lbs…that was just a comment made by someone at the scene. There were no weigh scales at the scene. > > Funny how nutters discredit any off hand comments by witnesses, unless they even remotely suggest an attack couldn’t have been by a pit bull. Then its an established and verified fact. Then we are back to the question of how are you defining pit bull? The dogs in your links would not qualify as AKC American Pit Bull Terriers. If all large muscular dogs that are involved in attacks are identified as a ‘pit bull’ regardless actual breed that could explain the statistics we see. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/655 "2014-01-07T02:39:54Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > How were the dogs identified as pit bulls? Two of them are on the loose and have never been seen by the police of the media. That’s some quality reporting. Not to mention it was a pack of feral dogs. _Any_ breed of dog that’s allowed to run feral in a pack is prone to attacking people. Jesus fuck people, get a grip on reality whydon’tcha. And for the record, a Husky won the race for first dog mauling incident in 2014, so suck on that, haters. [Young boy ‘mauled’ by husky at dog beach on Gold Coast](http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/young-boy-mauled-by-husky-at-dog-beach/story-fnii5v71-1226793493055) on New Year’s Day. Oh wait. I’m sorry. It wasn’t a “pit bull.” Doesn’t count. **RedFury** , my friend, did you read [this link](http://caveat.typepad.com/blog/2006/11/the-pros-and-cons-of-breed-bans.html) **Stoid** posted? If you haven’t yet, will you please take the time to read it? For me? I understand your instinct to jump to conclusions here, but there really is no call. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/656 "2014-01-07T02:43:08Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > And for the record, a Husky won the race for first dog mauling incident in 2014, so suck on that, haters. > > [Young boy ‘mauled’ by husky at dog beach on Gold Coast](http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/young-boy-mauled-by-husky-at-dog-beach/story-fnii5v71-1226793493055) on New Year’s Day. > > Oh wait. I’m sorry. It wasn’t a “pit bull.” Doesn’t count. Well by the definitions offered so far in this thread that dog may well fall into the pit bull category. It did attack someone and was strong enough to do damage. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/657 "2014-01-07T03:15:04Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Well by the definitions offered so far in this thread that dog may well fall into the pit bull category. It did attack someone and was strong enough to do damage. LOL! You win. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/658 "2014-01-07T04:03:11Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Is this you? > > [**Pit bull owners :: Studies show that pit bull owners employ strategies to disguise the true nature of the breed by engaging in distortions, denial and overcompensation and by projecting blame after attacks.**](http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-owners.php) Mea maxima culpa, that’s my daughter! She calls her Basset Hound/English Bulldog a mere “Basset cross” because nutters like you go off when they hear “Bulldog” and think he’s going to kill them, knowing nothing about the breed and how it’s been revised in the past 175 years into a dopy pet that is incapable of doing what it was originally bred for. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/659 "2014-01-07T04:46:52Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Is this you? > > [**Pit bull owners :: Studies show that pit bull owners employ strategies to disguise the true nature of the breed by engaging in distortions, denial and overcompensation and by projecting blame after attacks.**](http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-owners.php) > > Many of the posts in this thread appear to indicate that some of you, indeed, are. > > Take a look in the mirror lately? I noticed your website didn’t link to the study they cited. For anyone interested the Tufts study can be found here: [http://www.animalsandsociety.org/assets/library/405\_s812.pdf](http://www.animalsandsociety.org/assets/library/405_s812.pdf) It was an interesting read. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/660 "2014-01-07T04:57:04Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > from her friend Ace Dolin, who cleaned up the crime scene: With a name like Ace Dolin he is destined to either clean crime scenes or be a Stephen King character (teen hoodlum variety). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=34)