# Pit Bulls (continued) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714 "2013-10-08T19:18:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/661 "2014-01-07T05:12:04Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Not to mention it was a pack of feral dogs. _Any_ breed of dog that’s allowed to run feral in a pack is prone to attacking people. Jesus fuck people, get a grip on reality whydon’tcha. > > And for the record, a Husky won the race for first dog mauling incident in 2014, so suck on that, haters. > > [Young boy ‘mauled’ by husky at dog beach on Gold Coast](http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/young-boy-mauled-by-husky-at-dog-beach/story-fnii5v71-1226793493055) on New Year’s Day. > > Oh wait. I’m sorry. It wasn’t a “pit bull.” Doesn’t count. > > **RedFury** , my friend, did you read [this link](http://caveat.typepad.com/blog/2006/11/the-pros-and-cons-of-breed-bans.html) **Stoid** posted? If you haven’t yet, will you please take the time to read it? For me? > > I understand your instinct to jump to conclusions here, but there really is no call. Wow. Just wow. A Husky bit a kid on his head in Australia, and stopped after one bite. Notice It didn’t maintain the mauling until Aussie cops arrived and that it didn’t require 3 point blank gunshots to make it stop? Notice, unlike the woman in Texas this week, the kid survived? Apples / Oranges ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/662 "2014-01-07T06:44:27Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > . Which is what we’ve been saying all along. There would be a lot fewer child deaths from pit bull attacks had they not be _left alone_ with the animals. And as you have now admitted, \*dogs of any breed should **never** be left alone with infants. The point is that the child does not have to be alone when it comes to pitbull attacks. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/663 "2014-01-07T06:59:53Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Not to mention it was a pack of feral dogs. _Any_ breed of dog that’s allowed to run feral in a pack is prone to attacking people. Jesus fuck people, get a grip on reality whydon’tcha. I was attacked by a pack of 20 to 30 dogs on an Indian reserve at 2 a.m. on a freezing cold December night a couple of hundred yards away from the residential door that I had just exited. I escaped by running at them 3 steps in one direction upon which some pulled back and others circled to get at my heels and 4 steps in the other direction with the same result, to get back to that door I had come from. If there was a pitbull among them, I would not be here today. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/664 "2014-01-07T07:00:16Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Not to mention it was a pack of feral dogs. _Any_ breed of dog that’s allowed to run feral in a pack is prone to attacking people. Jesus fuck people, get a grip on reality whydon’tcha. > > And for the record, a Husky won the race for first dog mauling incident in 2014, so suck on that, haters. > > [Young boy ‘mauled’ by husky at dog beach on Gold Coast](http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/young-boy-mauled-by-husky-at-dog-beach/story-fnii5v71-1226793493055) on New Year’s Day. > > Oh wait. I’m sorry. It wasn’t a “pit bull.” Doesn’t count. > > **RedFury** , my friend, did you read [this link](http://caveat.typepad.com/blog/2006/11/the-pros-and-cons-of-breed-bans.html) **Stoid** posted? If you haven’t yet, will you please take the time to read it? For me? > > I understand your instinct to jump to conclusions here, but there really is no call. Actually, there’s breaking news in the Texas fatal pit bull attack. They now have 2 female pit bulls in custody, one confirmed as the killer, from the same back yard pit bull breeder…complete with photos > **[DogsBite Blog](https://blog.dogsbite.org/)** > > Learn about victims of severe pit bull attacks and other dangerous dog breeds, dog bite victim injuries, fatality statistics and breed-specific pit bull laws. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/665 "2014-01-07T07:31:09Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > I was attacked by a pack of 20 to 30 dogs on an Indian reserve at 2 a.m. on a freezing cold December night a couple of hundred yards away from the residential door that I had just exited. I escaped by running at them 3 steps in one direction upon which some pulled back and others circled to get at my heels and 4 steps in the other direction with the same result, to get back to that door I had come from. > > If there was a pitbull among them, I would not be here today. Because…? One (random, generic) pit bull is guaranteed to kill? And you base this firm declaration of Truth on…? ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/666 "2014-01-07T14:11:31Z")
> [@Shayna](#): > > Not to mention it was a pack of feral dogs. _Any_ breed of dog that’s allowed to run feral in a pack is prone to attacking people. Jesus fuck people, get a grip on reality whydon’tcha. > > **RedFury** , my friend, did you read [this link](http://caveat.typepad.com/blog/2006/11/the-pros-and-cons-of-breed-bans.html) **Stoid** posted? If you haven’t yet, will you please take the time to read it? For me? > > I understand your instinct to jump to conclusions here, but there really is no call. Wow. Blaming folks for jumping to conclusions, yet you do just that in the same post. The Fatal pit bull mauling in Texas did not involve feral dogs; they were confirmed pit bulls from a single back yard breeder, that “Ooops” just got out. Who let the dogs out, who? who? Who let the dogs out, Who? Who? PS on the count of three, jump. 1…2…3…JUMP [http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9383609](http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=9383609) ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/667 "2014-01-07T14:25:40Z")
Hmm. The Johnson City, TN hospital, just 4 days prior (New Years Eve) had an 8 year old girl airlifted there (typical of pit attacks - victim requires Medivac helicopter). The girl was not feeling well; her mother had her in her arms, when the family land shark latched on to the child’s head, inside the safety of thier home. [http://www.timesnews.net/article/9071483/sullivan-county-girl-8-mauled-by-pit-bull](http://www.timesnews.net/article/9071483/sullivan-county-girl-8-mauled-by-pit-bull) A little town like Johnson City, TN has 2 young women with life threatening injuries, in its hospital this week, from the family land shark, inside their home. Why just bite the hand that feeds you - go for the head, the neck, the jugular, and rip off a bicep muscle completely. In Nutterville, anything goes. What are the odds? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/668 "2014-01-07T15:08:58Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > The Fatal pit bull mauling in Texas did not involve feral dogs; they were confirmed pit bulls from a single back yard breeder, that “Ooops” just got out. “Confirmed”? Bullshit. I watched that news story last night, complete with pictures of the dogs. At best, those were mutts with some pit mixed in. People suck at breed identification. ETA: FOR FUCKS’ SAKE! Did you even look at the pictures on the website **you linked**? Your own cites show you’re full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/669 "2014-01-07T15:29:00Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > “Confirmed”? Bullshit. > > I watched that news story last night, complete with pictures of the dogs. At best, those were mutts with some pit mixed in. > > People suck at breed identification. > > ETA: FOR FUCKS’ SAKE! Did you even look at the pictures on the website **you linked**? Your own cites show you’re full of shit. Houston animal control officials say two captured dogs are both female \*\*pit bull \*\*mixes and belonged to the same owner. “We know that one is absolutely involved in the attack,” animal control spokesperson Chris Newport said. “We know the other, according to witness review, was not involved in the attack.” The owner of the dogs wasn’t home when we visited. He’s turned over the two adult dogs to animal control, but **several pit bull puppies** remain in his apartment, which is just a block from where Bell lost her life. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/670 "2014-01-07T15:32:55Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > Houston animal control officials say two captured dogs are both female \*\*pit bull \*\*mixes and belonged to the same owner. Well, you used red text. I must be wrong. Because obviously both animal control and the reporters cared so deeply they made sure these weren’t mutts and were actually pits. :rolleyes: Look at the actual pictures, dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/671 "2014-01-07T15:55:57Z")
[Colleen Lynn of DogsBite.org blames interstate crash on pit bull.](http://www.swaylove.org/colleen-lynn-now-blaming-pit-bulls-for-interstate-crashes) Watch out, Toonces! [Colleen Lynn very inconsistent concerning details of her own attack.](http://legal.pblnn.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/109-collen-lynn-seattle-animal-control-records) Bite pattern inconsistent with her being dragged, [contrary to her claims](http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/woman-attacked-by-pit-bull-wants-to-change-law/nKc8L/). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/672 "2014-01-07T16:02:03Z")
How can anything anti-pit on [dogsbite.org](http://dogsbite.org) be accurate when she’s so full of shit regarding the attack which led to the creation of the site? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/673 "2014-01-07T16:06:06Z")
Wow. I missed this because of the bleeding on the page, but: > [@cougar58](#): > > both female pit bull **mixes** Re-bolding, mine. FFS, read your own damned cites. They don’t even say what you want them to say. Some people are born idiots. Some people have idiocy thrust upon them. And some asshats seek idiocy out. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/674 "2014-01-07T16:34:46Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Wow. I missed this because of the bleeding on the page, but: > > Re-bolding, mine. > > FFS, read your own damned cites. They don’t even say what you want them to say. > > Some people are born idiots. Some people have idiocy thrust upon them. And some asshats seek idiocy out. You do understand that these are banned in Denver, Miami and 600 other USA cities, and that this has been upheld in 9 State Supreme and 9 US Federal courts 9 State Appellate Courts as constitutional: "Any dog that is an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, **or any dog displaying a majority of physical traits of any one or more of the above breeds, or any dog exhibiting those distinguishing characteristics which substantially conform to the standards established by the American Kennel Club or United Kennel Club for any of the above breeds**. The A.K.C. and U.K.C. standards for the above breeds are on file in the office of the Clerk and Recorder, Ex-Officio Clerk, of the City and County of Denver, at City Clerk Filing No. 89457 " > **[Constitutionality of Breed-Specific Legislation - DogsBite.org](https://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dangerous-dogs-constitutionality.php)** > > View decisions from state appellate courts, federal courts and the United States Supreme Court that uphold the constitutionality of breed-specific legislation. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/675 "2014-01-07T16:38:54Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Colleen Lynn of DogsBite.org blames interstate crash on pit bull.](http://www.swaylove.org/colleen-lynn-now-blaming-pit-bulls-for-interstate-crashes) Watch out, Toonces! > > [Colleen Lynn very inconsistent concerning details of her own attack.](http://legal.pblnn.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/109-collen-lynn-seattle-animal-control-records) Bite pattern inconsistent with her being dragged, [contrary to her claims](http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/woman-attacked-by-pit-bull-wants-to-change-law/nKc8L/). Read your own link. The State Police blame that crash on the pit bull jumping on the driver of the car. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/676 "2014-01-07T16:41:25Z")
I sure wish somebody would define terms here, because the declarations and their refutations are becoming ridiculous. What exactly does it mean when either side says “pit bull”? Is it only a registered animal, with papers from AKC, UKC or another breed organization declaring it to belong to one or another of the “bully breeds”? If so, which ones? Or is it an unregistered animal, from a backyard breeder or other unregistered source, having variable ancestry in any of several recognized breeds or locally produced strains, whose producers and whose owners routinely refer to it as a “pit” or “pit mix”? Because if the standard of evidence for “pit bull attack” is to be some document from a registry, then yeah, I guess there are very few pit bull attacks and a whole lot of “misidentifications”. But I’m not willing to accept this standard. In an awful lot of the instances argued about here, the dogs were generally known as pits or pit mixes (often with the word “mix” dropped from casual discussions) by their owners, and by the breeders who produced them. Note that they weren’t known or represented as Shepherds or Shepherd mixes, nor were they known or represented as Labs or Lab mixes, nor Corgis or Corgi mixes, etc. They were known and/or represented to be pits and/or pit mixes. This, plus visual identification by people who are presumed to have some expertise (animal control agents, shelter staff, etc.) is the source of most media claims of “a PIT BULL done it!” Now arguably, this number is inflated. I’m willing to accept some reduction in the tally of pit bull attacks/fatalities due to actual misidentifications, including by presumed knowledgeable persons. Cites have been presented that support this. Perhaps in some instances a dog that could be viewed as a Shepherd mix, or a Retriever mix, but also by squinting and closing one eye might also sorta-kinda, in a bad light, be seen as a pit mix is so identified by the media because it fits the scary stereotype. But I am unconvinced that the misidentification issue is so huge that it, by itself, will reduce “pit bull fatalities” to a percentage of total fatalities commensurate with actual pit population percentages. The simple fact seems to be that there are an awful lot of dogs out there, mostly unregistered and of various heritages, that were produced in a deliberate attempt to breed a “pit bull” or “pit type” home grown dog. So it should be no surprise that there are also a large number of dogs whose appearance better fits “pit bull mix” than it does any recognized breed or any other mix. And a whole lot more that arguably (and here I’m giving all the weight I’m willing to give to the ‘mis—id’ cites) appear somewhat or partly like pit mixes even if close scrutiny suggests they’re possibly not. And an awful lot of owners that, for whatever proper or improper reason, like to refer to their own dogs as pits or pit mixes, and breed to produce more of the same. At least, until something bad happens. And these dogs are disproportionately represented in dog bite fatality cases. ETA: just read post 674 – there is a definition, will we agree to use it? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/677 "2014-01-07T16:41:38Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > By which I mean… do you intend to suggest that the issue of the fortune teller is a lack of proper training in the telling of fortunes? Or do you mean to suggest that rehabilitating aggressive dogs is an activity that is as questionable in its legitimacy as fortune telling? If it’s not either, then I confess I’m all out of ideas as to what you were going for. Funny how [fortune telling](http://www.runecast.com/) got in this thread. [Guess who that site belogns to!](http://who.is/whois/runecast.com) ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/678 "2014-01-07T16:42:04Z")
Actual link : [http://www.enterprisenews.com/topstories/x985027748/Animal-control-nabs-pit-bull-that-caused-Rt-24-accident](http://www.enterprisenews.com/topstories/x985027748/Animal-control-nabs-pit-bull-that-caused-Rt-24-accident) " WEST BRIDGEWATER — Animal control officers nabbed the pit bull that is believed to have caused a rollover on Rt. 24 on Monday. Lulu, the 2-year-old black pit bull that State Police believe is responsible for a Rt. 24 crash in which a car rolled over and burst into flames, was picked up around 2 a.m., according to Jeni Mather, of Brockton’s JM Pet Resort. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/679 "2014-01-07T16:54:02Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > The State Police blame that crash on the pit bull jumping on the driver of the car. Yet [Lynn and her Facebook friends are claiming it was an attack!](https://www.facebook.com/dogsbite.org/posts/536200096417875) ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/680 "2014-01-07T16:55:31Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Colleen Lynn very inconsistent concerning details of her own attack.](http://legal.pblnn.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/109-collen-lynn-seattle-animal-control-records) Bite pattern inconsistent with her being dragged, [contrary to her claims](http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/woman-attacked-by-pit-bull-wants-to-change-law/nKc8L/). Wow. That entire link **blames the victim** , who was jogging on the sidewalk, when a womans pit bull, being walked on the same sidewalk, , mauled her, breaking both bones in her arm. The settlement out of court - per the link - shows Lynn settled for the max allowed in the insurance claim, as well as having “Bull” - the pit bull, being administered a much needed dirt nap. The land shark owner worked for the city of Seattle. That nutter link doesn’t care to mention Colleen Lynn by name as well as her then city of residence - updated with her new city of residence, but opts to protect the name of the pit bull owner?:??? Amazing. Then again, not. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=35)