# Pit Bulls (continued) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 8, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714 "2013-10-08T19:18:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/681 "2014-01-07T16:59:58Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > And these dogs are disproportionately represented in dog bite fatality cases. Part of the problem is that a supposed victims’ group called [DogsBite.org](http://DogsBite.org) in only interested in bites by anything that remotely resembles a Pit Bull. Not bit by a Pit? Doesn’t count. Surviving member of a Pit-owning family? No sympathy for you! You’re just another nutter to them. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/682 "2014-01-07T17:06:30Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > Wow. That entire link **blames the victim** , who was jogging on the sidewalk, when a womans pit bull, being walked on the same sidewalk, , mauled her, breaking both bones in her arm. There’s that reading comprehension problem again. From the link: > [@](#): > > We cannot know, without x-rays, whether the break occurred from the bite or a fall to the ground. > > This was not an inexplicable mauling by a Pit Bull. Rather, the dog’s response was a predictable, known type of response when a dog is startled. Ms. Lynn has an understanding of the strength of the startle response, based on the words from a piece she wrote and published on the internet entitled “Don’t Believe Everything You Think.” ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/683 "2014-01-07T17:08:17Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Yet [Lynn and her Facebook friends are claiming it was an attack!](https://www.facebook.com/dogsbite.org/posts/536200096417875) If I was a passenger in your car, and suddenly, without provocation, jumped on you, causing you to loose control of your car, leading to a fiery crash, that would constitute an attack, no? Trivial nutter PBS (PitBullShit) BTW - it was a Facebook comment by 5 other Facebook persons. Lynn never used the word “attack” in your link provided- she did agree with FB Jeff Sloan who commented that there were two unrelated cases where pit bulls attacked their owner / driver causing crashes. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/684 "2014-01-07T17:11:09Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > There’s that reading comprehension problem again. > > From the link: I see. So it is acceptable, in Nutterville, for a pit bull to maul a jogger, causing 2 broken bones that required titanium and stainless steel rods and months of recovery? Got it. Those damn jogging victims. Those are who we need to ban. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/685 "2014-01-07T17:12:38Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > There’s that reading comprehension problem again. > > From the link: Pit Bull Shit. I have seen the X-rays. So did the court. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/686 "2014-01-07T17:19:39Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > If I was a passenger in your car, and suddenly, without provocation, jumped on you, causing you to loose control of your car, leading to a fiery crash, that would constitute an attack, no? No, not an “attack” but simply an animal jumping on a driver of a vehicle traveling at highway speed. [Ya think this guy’s cat attacked him?](http://www.whiznews.com/content/news/local/2011/12/24/christmas-eve-accident-caused-by-cat) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/687 "2014-01-07T17:25:49Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > I have seen the X-rays. :rolleyes: Sure you did. You’re an expert on X-rays now? > [@](#): > > So did the court. What court? Wasn’t it settled out of court? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/688 "2014-01-07T17:28:49Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > So it is acceptable, in Nutterville, for a pit bull to maul a jogger, causing 2 broken bones that required titanium and stainless steel rods and months of recovery? So a bite and immediate release followed by a second bite and immediate release is “mauling” now? And just how did one break suddenly become two? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/689 "2014-01-07T17:32:55Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > BTW - it was a Facebook comment by 5 other Facebook persons. Lynn never used the word “attack” in your link provided- she did agree with FB Jeff Sloan who commented that there were two unrelated cases where pit bulls attacked their owner / driver causing crashes. “2 other cases”, the operative word being “other”, meaning that the guy believes this was a third and Lynn agreed. Ergo, she also believes it was an attack. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/690 "2014-01-07T17:41:27Z")
:taking bets on what cougar comes up with to avoid addressing the points in the last four posts: ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/691 "2014-01-07T18:08:00Z")
OK, for those who haven’t ever seen one, here’s a pitbull fight. NSFW. [pittbull fight (graphic)](http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv174/kayaker01/photo_zpscc82137b.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/692 "2014-01-07T18:39:48Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Colleen Lynn of DogsBite.org blames interstate crash on pit bull.](http://www.swaylove.org/colleen-lynn-now-blaming-pit-bulls-for-interstate-crashes) Watch out, Toonces! > > [Colleen Lynn very inconsistent concerning details of her own attack.](http://legal.pblnn.com/pro-bsl-experts/dogbiteorg/109-collen-lynn-seattle-animal-control-records) Bite pattern inconsistent with her being dragged, [contrary to her claims](http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/woman-attacked-by-pit-bull-wants-to-change-law/nKc8L/). Really? Really? That cites blames the victim, Lynn, because she said she passed the woman and her leashed pit bull, then it attacked her as she jogged by? Google Youtube videos of pit bull pulling car. And try to comprehend that a pit on a leash can jump and maul you, after you have passed it. The pit may have been behind, or even, with its owner, on its leash. Or it could have pulled its owner. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/693 "2014-01-07T18:58:52Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > There’s that reading comprehension problem again. > > From the link: > > “We cannot know, without x-rays, whether the break occurred from the bite or a fall to the ground.” Look at the photo - zoom in - you can see the pit bulls puncture wounds around the area of the compound fracture [http://www.dogsbitedecatural.com/2011/02/decatur-al-victim-colleen-lynn-founder.html](http://www.dogsbitedecatural.com/2011/02/decatur-al-victim-colleen-lynn-founder.html) Nutters: “but it could have been from her fall” Hilarious ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/694 "2014-01-07T19:30:31Z")
So who had “argumentum ad infinitum”? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/695 "2014-01-07T19:53:05Z")
Here is the police report of Colleen Lynns attack: [http://legal.pblnn.com/images/lynn/lynnseattlerecords.pdf](http://legal.pblnn.com/images/lynn/lynnseattlerecords.pdf) And nutters blame the victim? Note that this is from a pro pit bull site, - and once again, they block out the name of the pit owner. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/696 "2014-01-07T20:12:07Z")
FYI the pit owners name : “Qdeene Nagasawa” ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/697 "2014-01-07T20:21:20Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Part of the problem is that a supposed victims’ group called [DogsBite.org](http://DogsBite.org) in only interested in bites by anything that remotely resembles a Pit Bull. > > Not bit by a Pit? Doesn’t count. > > . Not true (AKA Liar): > **[2013 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - DogsBite.org](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2013.php)** > > 2013 U.S. dog bite fatality statistical data collected and recorded by DogsBite.org. Source citations for each fatality victim are located in Fatality Citations. Huskies, German Shepherd , Rotts - they are all included. > **[2012 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - DogsBite.org](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2012.php)** > > 2012 U.S. dog bite fatality statistical data collected and recorded by DogsBite.org. Source citations for each fatality victim are located in Fatality Citations. > **[2011 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - DogsBite.org](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2011.php)** > > 2011 U.S. dog bite fatality statistical data collected and recorded by DogsBite.org. Source citations for each fatality victim are located in Fatality Citations. > **[2010 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - DogsBite.org](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2010.php)** > > 2010 U.S. dog bite fatality statistical data collected and recorded by DogsBite.org. Source citations for each fatality victim are located in Fatality Citations. > **[2009 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - DogsBite.org](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2009.php)** > > 2009 U.S. dog bite fatality statistical data collected and recorded by DogsBite.org. Source citations for each fatality victim are located in Fatality Citations. > **[2008 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - DogsBite.org](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2008.php)** > > 2008 U.S. dog bite fatality statistical data collected and recorded by DogsBite.org. Source citations for each fatality victim are located in Fatality Citations. > **[2007 U.S. Dog Bite Fatalities - DogsBite.org](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2007.php)** > > 2007 U.S. dog bite fatality statistical data collected and recorded by DogsBite.org. Source citations for each fatality victim are located in Fatality Citations. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/698 "2014-01-07T20:38:10Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > Here is the police report of Colleen Lynns attack: > > [http://legal.pblnn.com/images/lynn/lynnseattlerecords.pdf](http://legal.pblnn.com/images/lynn/lynnseattlerecords.pdf) And here is her original statment to Seattle Animal Control: > [@](#): > > There was a woman walking a dog northbound in front of her, as she approached from behind the woman and the dog, the woman moved left so she was in the parking strip and the V/ moved to the far right. There was a garden wall on her right preventing her to go any further to the right. As she slowed down and moved closer to the woman and her dog, the dog turned around and jumped onto her chest. She fell onto her right knee on the sidewalk and put her right arm in front of her face. The dog then bit her right forearm and she fell back and to the left onto her back. The dog then started dragging her into the grass while shaking her arm in his mouth. The woman who was walking the dog was pulling on the leash, trying to get the dog off her and then the dog let go of her arm. She jumped up and ran north screaming “Call 911” over and over." No mention of her passing or stopping as in the police report. No mention of the walker losing her grip on the leash in either report, not until nearly three years after the fact: > [@](#): > > “I was trying to pass by a woman, and she had gotten out of the way, she knew she had a dog that was potentially dangerous, so I passed, the dog, the pit bull, broke free from her, and that’s when I knew something wrong was happening, and it jumped, it ran in front of me and just kind of sat in the middle of the sidewalk, and at that point, I completely stopped running and I just kind of stood there, like oh my gosh what’s about to happen and it jumped on my chest, knocked me to the ground, and immediately went for my neck, and I protected myself, I put my forearm in front of my face…I’m good and I’m fully healed and my case has settled and so forth.” As noted earlier, a real dog bite expert declared that there were no dragging nor shaking injuries to her arm. She continually embellishes her story and we’re supposed to believe her story that the dog caused a (as in one, not two) fracture in her arm? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/699 "2014-01-07T20:45:35Z")
> [@cougar58](#): > > Not true (AKA Liar) I was referring to the victims’ group itself, not the website. ---
**Author:** ![cougar58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@cougar58](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cougar58)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714/700 "2014-01-07T21:16:26Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > And here is her original statment to Seattle Animal Control: > > No mention of her passing or stopping as in the police report. > > No mention of the walker losing her grip on the leash in either report, not until nearly three years after the fact: > > As noted earlier, a real dog bite expert declared that there were no dragging nor shaking injuries to her arm. She continually embellishes her story and we’re supposed to believe her story that the dog caused a (as in one, not two) fracture in her arm? :dubious: cite for the “real dog expert” that “declared that there were no dragging nor shaking injuries to her arm” ? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-bulls-continued/670714.md?page=36)