# Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED} **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045 "2022-05-24T22:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/181 "2022-05-25T18:55:52Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > It’s too personal. That’s the whole thing, it’s _not_ personal to him, that’s why he’s so willing to sacrifice them in the name of the almighty gun. Putting a face to the victims of gun violence may make him less cavalier about throwing their lives away. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/182 "2022-05-25T18:56:10Z")
Yes, and unlike you I take a stand against immorality–you encourage it. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/183 "2022-05-25T18:56:21Z")
fuck you ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/184 "2022-05-25T18:56:27Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > What I also will say is I don’t embrace immoral actions like you do–you openly have said now you are fine with wishing death on other poster’s friends and family. How dare you think you have any grounds to judge me. If you find it easier to argue against **what you wish I had said** than to argue against **[what I’ve actually said](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde/965045/164),** then I won’t stop you. But it makes you look like an intellectually dishonest douchebag. ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/185 "2022-05-25T18:58:07Z")
Don’t you and Joey P have somewhere you need to be? There are a number of people in this thread, who seem unhinged, but you two are a couple of bores and your posts in this thread reflect that. Spare us! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/186 "2022-05-25T18:58:25Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > ^Is this sea lioning? I truly don’t know. Trying to read people’s minds? Putting words in other people’s mouths? No, and apparently you are not very good at comprehending basic english. If English is not a primary language for you, then I can understand why you would simply guess at the meaning of the words you chose to respond to. > [@saucywench](#): > > When you come up with an intelligent, and/or interesting question, maybe I’ll answer it. Heh. Never noticed you before, and doubt I’ll notice your inane “contributions” in the future. _plonk_ ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/187 "2022-05-25T19:10:55Z")
Reading your contributions, and the way you mangle and distort what others have said, is like some mental game of Twister. ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/188 "2022-05-25T19:13:04Z")
What’s you Good Fella name? Joey “the broken record” P ?" ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/189 "2022-05-25T19:16:41Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > **Because I want to win.** I’m not a Democrat now, but I’m a dem-aligned Independent, **I don’t like losing.** I get genuinely angry at things that the Democrats do that I associate with losing. > > There is not a “both sides” to this argument. There are the Democrats, and there are any potentially persuadable non-Democrats. That’s it. There is no other side. There’s a wall called the GOP. You cannot expect much from a wall. To get by it you have to figure out a way through, over or under it. Well firstly thanks for clarifying, really. Because I don’t usually like when a general political discussion just because a cynical game theory type thing on getting elected. But _you’re right_ that politics in the US right now is so broken, that we can’t even start a discussion until the people who do nothing but lie and incite hatred are far away from the levers of power. The US only has one large political party now. I don’t like the Dems, but they are at least normal adults engaging in (what should be) normal politics. However, even in just the context of what Dems should do to get elected, I disagree with your suggestion. Common sense gun reform is actually the majority position by a long way. The fact that the NRA, FOX and republicans can demonize dems on this shows that there is no position the democrats could take that couldn’t be attacked or misrepresented. What you’re suggesting is that Dems instead should follow the “whatabout” of FOX news rhetoric and talk about cracking down on crime in the inner cities (as opposed to _regenerating_ or _investing_ in inner cities). Potentially alienating people in many of the most solidly blue districts. It’s a terrible idea, and you can tell that it is by the fact that it is also what many on the Right advise democrats to do. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/190 "2022-05-25T19:25:09Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Again–this person wished death on people. That is immoral. You what doesn’t cause people to die? Wishing. You know what does cause people to die? The willingness to trade more deaths for gun rights. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/191 "2022-05-25T20:01:28Z")
What you said here: “I also firmly want it understood—I am 100% willing to trade more deaths for gun rights.“ Is a tacit admission that you help facilitate murders. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/192 "2022-05-25T20:23:06Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I am not in favor of any gun deaths, unlike people in this thread who have wished death upon my friends and family. Bullshit. You’ve made it abundantly clear that you prioritize your gun fetish over ANY amount of gun deaths, including children (as long as you don’t know them) ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/193 "2022-05-25T20:23:28Z")
wrong thread… ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/194 "2022-05-25T20:25:00Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > What’s you Good Fella name? I will dub you “white knight:” ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/195 "2022-05-25T20:25:45Z")
Wishing for someone to die is as useful as the thoughts and prayers @Martin_Hyde gives the gun murder victims that is he is willing to accept for his gun rights. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/196 "2022-05-25T20:30:05Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > thoughts and prayers [![](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6zctcKnC7lg9bEl0_0q0XD0tIVV3cAg6N8A&usqp=CAU) ](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS6zctcKnC7lg9bEl0_0q0XD0tIVV3cAg6N8A&usqp=CAU) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/197 "2022-05-25T20:30:46Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > Common sense gun reform is actually the majority position by a long way. The fact that the NRA, FOX and republicans can demonize dems on this shows that there is no position the democrats could take that couldn’t be attacked or misrepresented. You cannot translate majority support for a position and just assume that means it helps you win elections if you support it. The people who support gun control already vote democratic - there’s very little to gain in terms of support by bring it up as a rallying issue. But it’s an issue that a lot of people are really passionate about, and while it’s true that most of them will vote reliably republican, the base of people who oppose gun control is much wider than you think. It’s not just republicans - there are lots of democrats that are pro-gun and who are alienated by focusing on gun control. Without a doubt, running on gun control as a major part of your platform is a vote loser for the democrats and a vote getter for the GOP. There are a whole huge range of issues which are less divisive which are winning issues for the democratic party which are, quite frankly, orders of magnitude more important than the gun issue anyway. Climate change, access to health care, wealth inequality, rent prices, take your pick. I already wrote about it [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-the-political-thread/965036/136), but basically, the republicans are begging you to make gun control an issue in the 2022 election. It’s the best thing you could do for them. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/198 "2022-05-25T20:34:02Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > You cannot translate majority support for a position and just assume that means it helps you win elections if you support it. I didn’t say that though. I pointed out that the fact that supporting a majority opinion can be demonized shows that it’s pointless trying to avoid republican attacks by shifting the overton window. I’m not saying gun control should necessarily be a primary campaign issue. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/199 "2022-05-25T20:35:00Z")
Enough of this “You can’t do that-it won’t work!” that we get constantly. _What WILL work?_ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/200 "2022-05-25T20:37:51Z")
The folks you are replying to are literally mentally ill. Their life work is disingenuously manufacturing drama for entertainment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=11)