# Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED} **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045 "2022-05-24T22:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/21 "2022-05-24T23:33:48Z")
I’ve always respected your obvious intellect. Truly. Now – this being the Pit – would you deign to use that intellect to suggest what _could_ be done, rather than go on ad nauseum about why “it isn’t working ?” If you think that gun violence is a problem in this country, can you point me to post(s) where you suggested possible solutions, and – since you clearly believe that messaging is everything – how current staunch gun rights advocates might be swayed ? More _con_structive, less _destructive._ You’re playing the classic role of a satirist. Pick up a shovel and dig, man. Kids are dying every week because of this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/22 "2022-05-24T23:36:25Z")
Well for me there’s a simple test to see if the Democrats have improved intellectually at all: 1. Will they talk about an assault weapons ban or similar. This is a known political loser, and it looks like this shooting may not have even involved an assault weapon but handguns (we’ll see as reporting comes in.) 2. Will they do something smart, like point out that Governor Abbott recently made it legal for basically any adult in Texas to carry handguns without a license, and raise the question “if a mentally disturbed 18 year old boy can legally carry a gun around, is that not a sign that the Governor’s reform of longstanding Texas gun law was a very bad idea?” There’s a lot of ways to attack Republicans on this, many of them stupid. FWIW I don’t think my ideas are magical, there’s a lot of entrenched thinking on this, I just know the “playbook” of linking to EveryTown for Gun Safety and their version of a resurrected AWB is almost assumed now, and certainly worthless. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/23 "2022-05-24T23:36:25Z")
In the thread of discussion, he wants to bring back the stop & frisk policy of dark-skinned folks. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/24 "2022-05-24T23:38:06Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > - Will they talk about an assault weapons ban or similar. This is a known political loser, and it looks like this shooting may not have even involved an assault weapon but handguns (we’ll see as reporting comes in.) The assault weapon ban also addressed large capacity magazines in handguns. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/25 "2022-05-24T23:40:38Z")
Your fear and racism helps get people, including children, killed. Once again: you’re a fucking piece of shit and you have a little more blood on your hands, just like yesterday and like you will every day until you stop being such a fucking piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/26 "2022-05-24T23:40:51Z")
I have a 7- (almost 8- ) year-old daughter. Mass shootings at elementary schools affect me because for the most part I can protect her from dangers in her life. I drive safely, she doesn’t run off on her own, I keep track of where she is. But when she’s at school, if some creep with a gun is ticked off at a teacher and decides to off the teacher, the teacher’s class, then himself, I can’t defend against that. That’s not something anyone should have to worry about, and it sucks that I do. Generally, other kinds of gun violence aren’t likely to affect my daughter. So, the 13,000 other gun homicides aren’t as relevant. This isn’t a “fantastical” thing, it’s pragmatic and based on realism. The premise that people are being hypocritical about focusing on these kinds of shootings is ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/27 "2022-05-24T23:41:53Z")
The current black mayor of New York city supports bringing back stop and frisk–which is really just a form of the constitutionally allowable “Terry stop.” He’s also a former cop and probably knows more about both sides of the issue than a white non-cop like myself. I largely agree with him that you can bring it back but do things to correct the racially disparate way it used to be implemented. I think that there was a lot to learn about NYC’s approach to guns, they had a two fold system that IMO had a lot to do with lowering gun crime: 1. NYC had a law that could be implemented in any State, and should–a law that had nothing to do with legal gun ownership. This law made it a felony for anyone in city limits to be found carrying a gun they were not legally allowed to possess. In most places this offense is a misdemeanor often not carrying a custodial sentence. In New York it was an automatic felony, for many years it would never be plead to anything lower, and it almost always carried a carceral sentence, often in the 2-3 year range. 2. Stop and frisk creates an environment where anyone carrying an illegal gun has basically a permanent fear that they could be busted on a felony, multiple year in prison charge, one that prosecutors almost never play ball on whatsoever. I’ve always been surprised that at least #1 hasn’t been pushed in many other States–it wouldn’t be that easy for even Republicans to fight against, because it doesn’t target legal carry of guns. Opposing it, could be said to be, “soft on crime.” ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/28 "2022-05-24T23:44:16Z")
What about my post you’re responding to was racist? And what “fear” are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/29 "2022-05-24T23:49:47Z")
Your fear is your need to have your guns no matter the harm you cause the world. Your this little coward who needs the security of your guns. I’ve been in three wars and never carried a gun you fucking pussy. Your racism is your softon crime stop and frisk bulkshit. You’re a piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2022, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/30 "2022-05-24T23:52:29Z")
Username checks out. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/31 "2022-05-25T00:00:38Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > He is sealioning the shit out of that thread. He’s not the only one: > [@Uvalde, Texas school shooting - the political thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-the-political-thread/965036/58): > > > [@Uvalde, Texas school shooting - the political thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-the-political-thread/965036/28): > > > > the United States is literally the only country that routinely—as in more frequently than monthly—has mass shootings in schools, > > Is that the case? It is not my area of special interest, but on the face of it, your statement seems unlikely. ETA: Wait, isn’t @Paul_was_in_Saudi the guy who has the creepy running “Mass Shootings in the US” thread in which he refers to himself in the third person as “The Commissioner”? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/32 "2022-05-25T00:03:12Z")
Yeah, I missed the “mass” qualifier on that one. But, funny thing to nitpick when the US is the school shooting capitol of the world, bar none. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/33 "2022-05-25T00:16:19Z")
This is as far as that discussion needed to go: > [@Uvalde, Texas school shooting - the political thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-the-political-thread/965036/18): > > Well, this forum for starters. I went through GD, P&E, IMHO, MPSIMS and the PIT just now and copied a link to every thread dealing in some way with mass shootings, and here is how many we have had: > [@Uvalde, Texas school shooting - the political thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-the-political-thread/965036/19): > > Why haven’t you started one? > [@Uvalde, Texas school shooting - the political thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-the-political-thread/965036/20): > > Because I perceive the forum to be hostile to solutions for most of these homicides and additionally, uninterested. People like what is flashy–even though the continual media hype around mass shootings, very likely costs lives: [Contagion in Mass Killings and School Shootings | PLOS ONE](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0117259) ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/34 "2022-05-25T00:21:17Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > ETA: Wait, isn’t @Paul_was_in_Saudi the guy who has the creepy running “Mass Shootings in the US” thread in which he refers to himself in the third person as “The Commissioner”? Holy shit. That is fucking weird! This is the guy (I forgot that he’s that guy) that keeps tabs on mass shootings but drops this turd: > [@Uvalde, Texas school shooting - the political thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-the-political-thread/965036/58): > > It is not my area of special interest, but on the face of it, your statement seems unlikely. How the fuck is mass shootings NOT in his area of special interest when he posts about them ALL THE TIME? And he comes in to dispute that stat and plays coy that he doesn’t know it is wrong? Super creepy. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/35 "2022-05-25T00:25:38Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > How the fuck is mass shootings NOT in his area of special interest when he posts about them ALL THE TIME? And he comes in to dispute that stat and plays coy that he doesn’t know it is wrong? Super creepy. He’s just asking a question. What could be wrong with that? Don’t you support free speech? Are you one of those liberals who thinks that conservative speech should be banned? When did you stop beating your wife? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/36 "2022-05-25T00:26:05Z")
Except for guns, he’s a smart fellow and I respect his views. I’m certainly glad he’s seen the light about the current state of his former party. He is right about one thing- ain’t nothing gonna be done ever about guns. When a vocal minority makes it the only issue they base their vote on, politicians are all to eager to scoop up those free votes and the hundreds of kids killed each year is the price they’re all willing to take for power and the graft which comes with it. I think the only things that will change the gun culture would be minorities arming themselves in record numbers and rural whites getting gunned down in proportion to their urban counterparts. As long as the victims are largely urban and/or minorities, the gun lovers honestly aren’t going to care. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/37 "2022-05-25T00:30:03Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > As long as the victims are largely urban and/or minorities, the gun lovers honestly aren’t going to care. You know, it is possible to be a gun owner—even a (pejorative) _gun lover_—and still recognize that there is a serious problem that needs to be addressed with more than “thoughts and prayers”. The problem is that _gun lovers_ have been co-oped by a propaganda machine that has equated any form of controls or government oversight as a politically-oriented attack on basic freedoms and has incidentally allowed itself to be infiltrated by unfriendly foreign agents. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/38 "2022-05-25T00:32:07Z")
As I understand it, most gun owners are in favor of background checks and most NRA members are as well. Yet the NRA got itself hijacked by the most radical of its lot. The slippery slope fallacy has got to go. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/39 "2022-05-25T00:33:48Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > > [@wguy123](#): > > > > Yep. I stopped replying to his “whataboutism look over there you hypocrites” BS when I saw where it was going. Why do we care about this 15 dead little children when there are many other dead people? Fuck him. > > Sorry I thought the thread in question was a political thread. If it had been labeled “let’s cry about this topic” I would have stayed away, maybe that was the intent of the thread–if so I think we should get it edited so no one like me opens it accidentally. > > > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > > Fuck off with your concern trolling and your bullshit disingenuous "arguments. > > > > You should be flattered that you are not being called an ignorant mouth breathing idiot. > > > > You’re just an asshole. > > In your experience is talking like that an effective way to communicate? How old are you? While I haven’t read the thread in question, I think it’s (_Euphoniois\_Polemic_’s post above) is pretty effectively communicating contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/40 "2022-05-25T00:49:13Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > The current black mayor of New York city supports bringing back stop and frisk–which is really just a form of the constitutionally allowable “Terry stop.” He’s also a former cop and probably knows more about both sides of the issue than a white non-cop like myself. I largely agree with him that you can bring it back but do things to correct the racially disparate way it used to be implemented. …“stop and frisk” was, and will be, an open display of fascism. The only way to “correct the racially disparate way it used to be implemented” would be to get rid of all the racist and fascist cops: and that is a thing that isn’t going to happen. And it doesn’t matter that it’s happening under the watch of a Black Mayor. That you “largely agree with him” says everything that we need to know about **you**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=3)