# Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED} **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045 "2022-05-24T22:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/441 "2022-05-27T13:17:34Z")
> **[Opinion | America May Be Broken Beyond Repair](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/uvalde-shooting.html?smid=url-share)** > > If our system can’t respond to the slaughter of children, what can it do? ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/442 "2022-05-27T13:17:37Z")
Mate, I’m sorry you’ve got some issues you need to work through, but whatever you’ve got going on there is nothing to do with me and I respectfully suggest you take a break, go for a walk, have a hot beverage of your choice, and generally chill out a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/443 "2022-05-27T13:17:40Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > As for the rest of it: You’re clearly not a hunter. 5-10 rounds is standard in bolt-action and lever-action hunting rifle (not the tacticool AR-15 type rifle, a normal hunting rifle like a standard Remington 700 or Winchester Model 94) and has been since the 1880s The max in Germany is 3 (as of late you can have a bigger magazine as long as you never load more than 3 rounds) > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > that’s what everyone agrees is appropriate and necessary Except the Germans? > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > And I don’t just mean in the US, it’s an international standard. European-made hunting guns hold that many rounds too. Provably false. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/444 "2022-05-27T13:22:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Provably false. They make guns that hold more than three rounds. You can buy them here. [The Mauser M18](https://www.mauser.com/en/MAUSER-18-Standard/80112498) is a very popular rifle and it holds five rounds. There’s also more than one country in Europe, and a number of them make guns (including the Czech Republic and Turkey). It’s been a while since I looked up the German hunting laws but even if they say three rounds max (although the mag can hold more) they’re still in the minority. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/445 "2022-05-27T13:22:08Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > There’s also a long and ongoing history of trying to make American football safer Also, with vanishingly few exceptions, innocent bystanders don’t get hurt or killed by players on the field. If players regularly launched themselves into the stands and attacked spectators, I (and I imagine most people) would certainly be for more restrictions on football. This would be considered a sane response. An insane response would be to claim it’s a few outlier players with mental health issues only to cut health benefits for players and tell spectators they’re on their own for personal safety from rampaging footballers. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/446 "2022-05-27T13:22:13Z")
Dang. That was intense. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/447 "2022-05-27T13:27:24Z")
There’s an argument for the whole “Football encourages toxic masculinity” thing, which connects into wider issues with violence and toxic/anti-social behaviour. Ditto video gaming. The players might not directly be attacking the spectators, but there’s argument the culture around the game(s) is still causing harm to innocent people. Also there’s more than one type of football, but the point remains the same. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/448 "2022-05-27T13:32:23Z")
Welp, there we go. Video games and modern society. Already busted tropes, which exist in other countries but somehow don’t see remotely the same level of spree killings we see in the US. I’m out. There’s a debate on where a reasonable line can be drawn but when somebody points at FPS games, that’s a pretty good sign they’re not engaging in good faith or are too fucking stupid to get it. I have no interest in playing chess with pigeons. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/449 "2022-05-27T13:33:03Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > You’re clearly not a hunter. 5-10 rounds is standard in bolt-action and lever-action hunting rifle Didn’t answer the fucking question. Answer the fucking question, do you need 10 rounds at the ready to take down a deer? Like I said, I Don’t Give A Fuck what is “standard” because letting people like you decide what is standard has brought us to a world where little kids get gunned down by the dozen. “Standard” is what we have right now, and it sucks. I want to let hunters have the tools they need to hunt, tell us what they need without being an embarrassment to the idea of competent hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/450 "2022-05-27T13:33:06Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > It’s been a while since I looked up the German hunting laws but even if they say three rounds max (although the mag can hold more) they’re still in the minority. Now you’re just making things up. I assumed, since you’re here complaining that people don’t know anything about guns, you’re some kind of expert. But the more I look into it, the more I find out that you’re full of shit. In France you can only hunt with a category C weapon which is limited to 3 rounds. By the way the change to allow guns that load more than 3 bullets was recent in Germany, until the law change you couldn’t use guns that allow more than 3 bullets. I hate when people who know nothing about gun control opine about it. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/451 "2022-05-27T13:33:07Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > There’s also a long and ongoing history of trying to make American football safer: And there are fans of football (and boxing) who reject the idea of improved safety for players because it’ll hurt the integrity of the game. And, yes, that makes them complicit in the injuries that these young men sustain when they go through these meat grinders. > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > Ditto video gaming. Ah, video games. The [real reason](https://boingboing.net/2022/05/25/texas-rep-jackson-says-its-unfortunate-media-blames-shootings-on-guns-when-rap-and-video-games-are-the-culprit-video.html) for the Uvalde shooting. My mouse would catch on fire before I could click the 🙄 button enough. > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > but there’s argument the culture around the game(s) is still causing harm to innocent people. I mainly see that ‘argument’ floated by people who are deflecting from more obvious problems. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/452 "2022-05-27T13:35:57Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > I want to let hunters have the tools they need to hunt, tell us what they need without being an embarrassment to the idea of competent hunting. 5-10 rounds, especially in an environment where there’s more than one deer or game animal to shoot at. Do you hunt, or do you just like to swear at people for having different views? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/453 "2022-05-27T13:42:02Z")
Some cites: [https://www.leverguns.com/articles/hunting\_in\_france.htm](https://www.leverguns.com/articles/hunting_in_france.htm) France, > [@](#): > > as soon as you have a valid hunting or shooting license, you can buy all the rifles and shotguns you want (handguns are another story) but they are registered direct from the gun dealer to the authority (police and administration. Semi auto carbines and shot guns are limited to three shots including chamber. > **[Germany: Hunting with semi-autos with interchangeable magazine allowed again -](https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/11/14/germany-hunting-semi-autos-interchangeable-magazine-allowed/)** > > It seems that for the first time ever, Germany is going to get a more permissive gun law. As an Amendment of the Federal Hunting Act comes into force, it is now legal to hunt even with 20 round (perhaps even more?) magazine if you put only 3 rounds... Germany > [@](#): > > As an Amendment of the Federal Hunting Act comes into force, it is now legal to hunt even with 20 round (perhaps even more?) magazine if you put only 3 rounds in. This is even better than before, where even 5 round mags were forbidden while hunting. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/454 "2022-05-27T13:42:03Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > 5-10 rounds, especially in an environment where there’s more than one deer or game animal to shoot at. You’re telling me that you can shoot and miss 4 times at deer and they’ll still be standing around for you to shoot at them 6 more times? You’re a fucking liar and a shitty hunter who shouldn’t be allowed near guns. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/455 "2022-05-27T13:44:59Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > You’re a fucking liar and a shitty hunter who shouldn’t be allowed near guns. Not to mention ignorant about guns and gun laws, despite his claims of superiority ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/456 "2022-05-27T13:50:26Z")
I’m telling you the last time I went hunting I came across four goats together and having five rounds in the magazine meant me, my family and friends enjoyed goat dishes for quite some time after that. Since you don’t hunt and can’t have a civil conversation, I don’t give a flying fuck what you think is an appropriate or necessary magazine capacity for hunting. You’re arguing in bad faith and just looking for an excuse to be unpleasant. > [@Babale](#): > > Not to mention ignorant about guns and gun laws, despite his claims of superiority I’ve been on the boards 15 years. My firearms knowledge is well established. I may have been misinformed about the laws of Germany and France when it comes to hunting magazine capacities but that doesn’t change the fact hunting rifles, including the ones made in Germany, generally come with a five-round magazine as standard (some have four, and larger, magnum calibres sometimes have three) and lever-action centrefire hunting rifles generally have between four-seven rounds; some go up to 10 if they’re in a pistol calibre. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/457 "2022-05-27T13:58:53Z")
A selection of your quotes from the thread, presented without comment because they really speak for themselves. All emphasis mine. > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > It’s been a while since I looked up the German hunting laws but even if they say three rounds max (although the mag can hold more) **they’re still in the minority.** > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > You’re clearly not a hunter. 5-10 rounds is standard in bolt-action and lever-action hunting rifle > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > And I don’t just mean in the US, it’s an international standard > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > yet here you are, swearing and insulting people who use them because\*\* you think you know better than them\*\* > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > In my case, it’s more that **people are making those statements based on incorrect information** that isn’t coming from a place of knowledge or understanding, but ‘feels’. > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I’ve been on the boards 15 years. My firearms knowledge is well established. **I may have been misinformed about the laws of Germany and France** when it comes to hunting magazine capacities ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/458 "2022-05-27T14:10:36Z")
Do you need me to look up other countries? Poland: > [@](#): > > 1. To carry out hunt and culling of animals posing an extraordinary danger to human life, health or economy, only hunting firearms shall be used, from which, after the maximum loading, no more than six shots can be fired; the magazine of a self-loading gun may contain no more than two cartridges. In the Czech Republic, you can hunt with category C weapons, which include: > [@](#): > > - single, multiple, repeating or semi-automatic long rifles for rimfire or centerfire ammunition or Lefaucheux cartridge not included in B category, What falls in B category? > [@](#): > > - long semi-automatic firearms with magazine capacity over 3 rounds or with a detachable magazine The restriction to around 2 to 3 shots seems pretty standard across Europe. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/459 "2022-05-27T14:14:33Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The restriction to around 2 to 3 shots seems pretty standard across Europe. How do they protect their families when a herd of wild boars run through the yard while the children are out playing? BTW, that is satire, but I’ve seen that argument. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/460 "2022-05-27T14:18:20Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > How do they protect their families when a herd of wild boars run through the yard while the children are out playing? _French peasants protecting their children from a herd of wild boars, 2022, colorized:_ [![](https://www.medievalists.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/medieaval-boar-hunting-e1478889766830.jpg) ](https://www.medievalists.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/medieaval-boar-hunting-e1478889766830.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=24)