# Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED} **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045 "2022-05-24T22:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/461 "2022-05-27T14:19:26Z")
The only way to stop a bad boar is a good guy with a spear. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/462 "2022-05-27T14:20:05Z")
Spears! Now you’re talking my language. Although those are pretty makeshift boarspears, I wouldn’t trust those lashed-on crossbars to do much stopping, usually they’re forged with the spearhead. Must have been an emergency. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/463 "2022-05-27T14:20:50Z")
When seconds count, @MrDibble is a dozen or more hours away. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/464 "2022-05-27T14:21:11Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Spears! Now you’re talking my language How Europeans react when the boars break into their yard: [![](https://y.yarn.co/edbdfc09-5898-440a-b7aa-37c1f17dcb5a_text.gif) ](https://y.yarn.co/edbdfc09-5898-440a-b7aa-37c1f17dcb5a_text.gif) Eta: wow that meme is really full of typos ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/465 "2022-05-27T14:22:44Z")
The Czech restriction applies to semi-automatic firearms, not manually operated (bolt/lever) guns. Poland also refers to self-loading guns; six rounds is the max for a manually operated hunting firearm. I’ve been very clear that I’m not talking about semi-auto guns. So my point stands; 5-10 rounds is internationally standard for purely hunting rifles. In Australia (which is also “International”), the maximum varies by state but is generally 10 rounds for centrefire (in a couple of states it’s higher, and it can also depend if the magazine can be removed or not). And on one of the other quotes you raised, I haven’t sworn at people directly ‘because I think I know better than them’ (or, that I can recall, at all, but it is late). I’ve told at least one person to chill out and told another they’re arguing in bad faith so I don’t give a flying fuck what they think about a discussion point, but what I haven’t done is made comments of the “You’re a piece of shit” or “Fuck you” or “The boards would be better off without you” variety. A courtesy which has not been extended to me, I might add. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/466 "2022-05-27T14:23:07Z")
I hate it when my gifs have bad grammar and misspellings. Shouldn’t they be hiring proofreaders? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/467 "2022-05-27T14:23:46Z")
It’s really the fault of the stalwart preposition opposition. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/468 "2022-05-27T14:26:32Z")
Is it possible that it’s just missing punctuation? “Go! The Breastplate Stretcher. Now!” ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/469 "2022-05-27T14:27:06Z")
More like centuries 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/470 "2022-05-27T14:30:18Z")
I’ve looked up the law in the Netherlands. In principle, possession of a firearm is prohibited for civilians, unless they have a license. There are very strict regulations for obtaining a license. Hunters and sport shooters may obtain one, but it expires and needs to be renewed yearly. Only police and army are exempt, and they have strict rules as well. I did psychiatric crisis work for a while, and cops needed to lock their firearms away before entering the cell block in the police station, for instance. A couple of months ago we did have a shooting in my line of work, by a retired taxi driver who used to have a gun license, had license and weapon revoked for medical reasons a few weeks before, but obtained a gun via illegal channels. It left a security guard dead, a psychiatrist still recovering from being shot in the head, and the man shot himself before police were there. It made local and national news, because it’s very rare with us. I remember having a conversation with an Israeli client after the shootings in Paris in 2015. She was shocked that we didn’t amp up security and police presence after that , it made her feel really unsafe. Given my experiences with travelling in Israel I get that, given the total omnipresence of IDF in the streets, which frankly stressed me out. And I think that is also the fundamental difference here. Apparently a lot of americans only feel safe when there are guns around, while also a lot of people are stressed out by them. For me, the latter response is the most logical one. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/471 "2022-05-27T14:42:38Z")
> [@Drsunflower1](#): > > Apparently a lot of americans only feel safe when there are guns around. They really don’t. It’s more about feeling insecure than feeling safe. They don’t feel safe - otherwise, they wouldn’t feel the need to walk around with guns. Some consider that paradoxical but it’s true. And the price for trying to ease that insecurity is a lot of dead people. A lot of Americans don’t even realize this is, historically, a recent thing. The gunfight at the OK corral was ostensibly (but mostly not) about gun control - the official line being the Clantons refused to deposit their weapons upon entering town as required by law. And a lot of towns in the ‘Old West’ (also heavily romanticized these days) had similar measures so there wouldn’t be a bunch of people walking about with guns. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/472 "2022-05-27T14:47:40Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > I’m telling you the last time I went hunting I came across four goats together and having five rounds in the magazine meant me, my family and friends enjoyed goat dishes for quite some time after that. Well, we wouldn’t want to deprive your family and friends of having some extra goat. We as a society need to balance our desire to deprive terrorists of additional convenient rounds to kill children with the needs of hunters to get bonus meat. So, let’s go with 10, with the understanding that it means 6-7 extra kids get gunned down sometime in the future, because their killer didn’t need to reload. Sound good to you? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/473 "2022-05-27T14:48:33Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > And on one of the other quotes you raised, I haven’t sworn at people directly ‘because I think I know better than them’ (or, that I can recall, at all, but it is late). I’ve told at least one person to chill out and told another they’re arguing in bad faith so I don’t give a flying fuck what they think about a discussion point, but what I haven’t done is made comments of the “You’re a piece of shit” or “Fuck you” or “The boards would be better off without you” variety. A courtesy which has not been extended to me, I might add. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMY3U8ZUEAAy-41.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EMY3U8ZUEAAy-41.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/474 "2022-05-27T14:49:37Z")
That’s great. We now have an exchange rate for ‘goat’ vs ‘human lives’. I would have thought the convenience of goat now vs waiting for goat later would be considerably more than a few human lives, but I suppose I underestimated how valuable it was to be able to obtain goat meat instantly. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/475 "2022-05-27T14:53:03Z")
@Martini_Enfield : IIRC, you’re in Australia, right ? In all sincerity, how resentful are you about, or adversely affected are you by, the gun control laws that your country **[enacted](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)#Aftermath)** after the Port Arthur Massacre ([**LINK, for those unfamiliar**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia))) ? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/476 "2022-05-27T14:55:49Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > > > I could say the same thing about football. > > We probably WILL live in a world without football ‘as we know it’ soon enough, the concussion scandal is truly outrageous and eventially it will hit full force Yes, at least, i hope so. I would certainly discourage anyone o know from playing it. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/477 "2022-05-27T15:00:08Z")
> [@Martini\_Enfield](#): > > and the amount of name-calling and personal insults is just off the charts. (_checks forum_) Are you also an idiot? ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/478 "2022-05-27T15:06:00Z")
> **[America as a Gun Culture](https://www.americanheritage.com/america-gun-culture)** > > It's the only industrial nation in which the possession of rifles, shotguns, and handguns is lawfully prevalent among large numbers of its population. Found this via Wikipedia. Article is more than 50 years old. Could have been written yesterday, except for the numbers. Employs most of the talking points entertained in the current debate. Including the incredulity on how little is being done. Not really trying to make a point, more that it seems this conflict has frozen a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/479 "2022-05-27T15:31:05Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > The last thread I started on the topic was first DoS’ed, then shut down bu a Mod when i asked participants to please stick to the subject and maintain a calm and productive debate. So the thread got shut down because, the Mod said, the OP is not allowed to dictate the kind of responses their post gets. (If memory serves, the Mod was a gun fan.) > [@Babale](#): > > This wouldn’t be the same gun fan ex mod who created the _Positively Safe Space For Ammosexuals Of The Day_ thread and dictated the kinds of responses that were allowed in it, would it? [Moderating] Complaints about the moderation of the SDMB belong in ATMB, not the Pit. Do not post comments like this in this thread. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/480 "2022-05-27T16:15:42Z")
> [@lissener](#): > > ### [Opinion | America May Be Broken Beyond Repair](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/27/opinion/uvalde-shooting.html?smid=url-share) Counterpoint: [“Shootings aren’t a sign America is ‘broken’. It’s working exactly as intended”:](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/25/shootings-arent-a-sign-america-is-broken-its-working-exactly-as-intended) > [@](#): > > The truth is that Americans now live within an escalating system of radicalized gun tragedy that is working exactly as expected. > > I know. For more than two decades, I worked in the highest levels of the firearms industry. I spent my career working to hold on to the principles of responsible gun ownership and fighting against the very predictable results of increasing extremism and the pursuit of profit above all else. […] > > But as the increasing vitriol of the National Rifle Association (NRA) proved politically effective, some in the gun business realized this messaging could be adopted by the firearms industry to sell more guns. All that was required for success was a dedication to frighteningly dangerous rhetoric and increasingly powerful weaponry. Cultural norms and responsibility would have to go. […] > > A number of other people in the industry sounded their own alarms about the [impacts of “terrorist rifles](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2007/02/24/terrorist-remark-puts-outdoorsmans-career-in-jeopardy-span-classbankheadzumbos-criticism-of-hunters-who-use-assault-rifles-brings-unforgiving-response-from-us-gun-culturespan/a5c17a4e-82d3-4354-8fb2-14927bdfad0f/)” and a nation with unlimited gun sales and insufficient responsibility. Those warnings resulted in the quick and very public loss of careers [at the hands of the NRA](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/guns-second-amendment-target-me-102133/) and its growing radicalized troll army. […] > > For years, the NSSF worked behind the scenes to criticize and marginalize people like me who spoke up. Today the organization openly attacks anyone who speaks out in support of gun safety. […] > > The NSSF helped craft a new world of gun lobby extremism in which profits are all that matter. […] > > This Friday, Trump is scheduled to speak at the annual NRA convention in Houston – less than 300 miles from Uvalde. The convention hall will be full of NSSF industry members lining up to court Trump and his frenzied fans. The system continues to work just as it was designed by the NRA and NSSF; from their point of view, nothing about it is broken. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=25)