# Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED} **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045 "2022-05-24T22:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/701 "2022-06-01T07:01:13Z")
Let’s not fall for the @D_Anconia troll show. Someone can start his Pit thread (it’s not like he doesn’t deserve one, or have opinions that are just as deplorable as @Martin_Hyde), and do it better than I could, or I’d do it myself. But this is a thread for @Martin_Hyde, and I’m enjoying his beatdown immensely. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/702 "2022-06-01T08:05:07Z")
I’m finding it very funny that apparently I give the impression of being male. Like I said before, I could have been more careful in that post, but my intention was to hold up a mirror. Given the disturbing reaction, looks like I was spot on. As I stated before, when people are casually taking lives of innocent people they don’t know for granted and deem them disposable for the sake of their hobbies, that’s dangerous and actually costs lives. IMHO the only way to break through the weaseling is getting personal. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/703 "2022-06-01T11:06:01Z")
You’re alright in my book. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/704 "2022-06-01T11:06:35Z")
Dog whistle? [![](https://doglab.com/wp-content/uploads/Woman-blowing-into-dog-whistle-near-white-poodle.jpg) ](https://doglab.com/wp-content/uploads/Woman-blowing-into-dog-whistle-near-white-poodle.jpg) More like, [![](https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/b474dcba-ad6e-4ab9-9fd2-e32ddc39467a_1.bcef10f7941c5604ec6d17318f8ca802.jpeg) ](https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/b474dcba-ad6e-4ab9-9fd2-e32ddc39467a_1.bcef10f7941c5604ec6d17318f8ca802.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/705 "2022-06-01T11:11:46Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > By the way, I recognize that we do, sometimes, need to “trade lives for rights”. There are situations where I’d be willing to die to support a critical right. The reason you are getting a lot of pushback is because I think I’m in the majority in this thread in thinking that gun rights are a pretty minor good to balance against the vast number of deaths that guns cause in the US. And there is the rub. I’m an ardent supporter of the right to free speech, freedom from religion, and almost all of the rest. But not the second amendment. But it gets folded into “supporting our rights” as the bad apple under cover of patriotism and the weight of history, and this obviously makes it a much heavier lift to change or alter in any way. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/706 "2022-06-01T11:21:10Z")
If you want your gender clearly known by all you can put it in your profile. And regardless of your gender–wishing death on people is immoral. The larger point you _believe_ you were making is simply a stupid one. It is also fundamentally dishonest. I won’t discuss gun rights in this thread again as, I have said many times–it isn’t an appropriate venue for it. I made my points clear about gun rights, and continued to be asked the same repetitive questions. For that reason I will simply say that anyone who would decide they don’t support defending a fundamental right with the life of themselves or their close family, do not really believe that it is a fundamental right. For people who believe something is a fundamental right, it is beyond obvious you may have to make sacrifices for its protection. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/707 "2022-06-01T11:26:33Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > {…} For that reason I will simply say that anyone who would decide they don’t support defending a fundamental right with the life of themselves or their close family, do not really believe that it is a fundamental right. For people who believe something is a fundamental right, it is beyond obvious you may have to make sacrifices for its protection. Damn Martin! Are you saying firearms are not a fundamental right? Or are you wishing death on yourself and your close family? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/708 "2022-06-01T11:39:21Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > For people who believe something is a fundamental right, it is beyond obvious you may have to make sacrifices for its protection. So, you’re willing to make a sacrifice for the right to own a gun? You. Personally. As in, someone you care about will be a victim of the continuing violence driven by your political position, rather than tens of thousands of random people you don’t know. Seems to me @Drsunflower1 is just hoping you get the opportunity to prove that you feel gun rights are fundamental. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/709 "2022-06-01T11:44:22Z")
Already asked and answered–many times. See my point about not continuing to respond to the same things asked repetitively. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/710 "2022-06-01T11:46:57Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Seems to me @Drsunflower1 is just hoping you get the opportunity to prove that you feel gun rights are fundamental. Exactly. The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/711 "2022-06-01T12:00:13Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > The entire premise that a willingness to sacrifice is akin to a wish of death, I REJECT. End of discussion. Fuck your ass, not end of discussion. You are “willing” to sacrifice people for gun rights, a sacrifice that is made every single day totaling 15,000+ sacrifices a year, with no sign of slowing down, precisely because people like you are “willing” to let it continue. You’re goddamn right it’s not “akin” to wishing death because wishing death does exactly nothing. People who wish your loved ones get gunned down while you watch impotently are saints compared to you. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/712 "2022-06-01T12:02:04Z")
And you’re willing to trade even more deaths for any number of rights, some of which people don’t share with you the belief that they **are** rights. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/713 "2022-06-01T12:09:25Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > For that reason I will simply say that anyone who would decide they don’t support defending a fundamental right with the life of themselves or their close family, do not really believe that it is a fundamental right. NOW YOU’RE GETTING IT!!! ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/714 "2022-06-01T12:11:14Z")
Hey you delusional fucker, the only people who believe that having assault weapons available to homicidal motherfuckers on demand is a “fundamental right” are people who are in power because these homicidal motherfuckers terrorize people. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/715 "2022-06-01T12:11:58Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > > > For that reason I will simply say that anyone who would decide they don’t support defending a fundamental right with the life of themselves or their close family, do not really believe that it is a fundamental right. > > NOW YOU’RE GETTING IT!!! Except–again, saying “I hope someone dies”, is immoral. The fact that you can’t understand the difference between “hope” and “willing to”, is a sign of simple lack of understanding how the English language works. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/716 "2022-06-01T12:13:01Z")
I was driving into those pedestrians in the crosswalk, hoping that none of them would due? ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/717 "2022-06-01T12:13:35Z")
Tediously inapt to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/718 "2022-06-01T12:17:26Z")
It’s both amazing and distressing that Dopers like @D_Anconia don’t realize that any mass shooting that brings (inter)national attention brings increased passion, increased fervor, and an increasing number of people to the cause of decreased gun violence. And not a single, solitary one of those people – that I’ve _ever_ heard or met – wants to enact sensible gun legislation, but only if it _will not reduce gun violence in the high murder rate US urban areas_. The events that draw headlines draw eyeballs. The people and the organizations for whom this cause is their calling … much like the fundamental liberal philosophy … are advocating for changes that will benefit the overwhelming majority of Americans, and not just themselves. It’s really an asinine argument. Here’s your sign. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/719 "2022-06-01T12:54:44Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Except–again, saying “I hope someone dies”, is immoral. Yes, but, as repeated ad nauseum, that is not what was said. If you can only score those internet points in your head by twisting words and lying about it, then do you really deserve them? Saying that you are willing to let people die is immoral. Saying that they hope that some of those you are willing to let die will actually affect you in some way is not. I find it absolutely hilarious that you are playing the victim here, while being as disingenuous as you can possibly be. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2022, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/720 "2022-06-01T12:57:44Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Saying that you are willing to let people die is immoral. Then much of our society simply cannot be allowed to exist–and no civil liberties of any kind really. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > Saying that they hope that some of those you are willing to let die will actually affect you in some way is not. It is absolutely immoral to wish that on another person. It’s akin to telling a family whose son was going off to fight WWII, “If you really believe we should be fighting the Nazis, I hope your son is one of the ones who dies to really test your beliefs.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=37)