# Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED} **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045 "2022-05-24T22:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/81 "2022-05-25T14:39:45Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > > > Excellent job, continue to play your part! Do you have a theater background? You have a knack for it. > > Aah, we’ve _already_ reached the part where you think you’re funny? You’re even worse at that than that idiot **SlackerInc** was, and you’re going for that desperation ploy way sooner than he ever did. > > The references to how you take opponents down with ease with your verbal kung-fu can only be a few posts away … I guess we’ve reached the part of your performance where you confuse me with some other poster. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > I am aware that most people feel insulted by accurate descriptions. Some take that as a means to improve themselves, and some use it as a reason to double down and ensure those descriptions are as accurate as possible. Which doesn’t describe our back and forth–ours involves you intentionally distorting much of what I’ve said for your own purposes–and then posting a silly ad hominem attack. > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > You know, this is a very reasoned analysis, and one I happen to agree with. But your credibility pretty much gets annihilated when you pull a boner like “why aren’t you worried about all those other deaths?” This changes the conversation from advocating for a certain political strategy, to shitting on people for the offense of reacting to today’s current events instead of yesterday’s current events. And it suggests that the deaths of children don’t bother you nearly as much as the hurt feelings of your gun collection. > > So I guess congratulations on defeating yourself at whatever you were trying to do here. That’s a reasonable opinion, I’m certainly not perfect at expressing myself. From my personal perspective, I am largely “numb” to school shootings. While they are terrible, I don’t react to them emotionally. I did when Columbine happened, I did when Newtown happened, I even did when Marjory Stoneman Douglas happened, but I don’t really think I have that in me anymore. There’s actually been a historically bad run in American public discourse and public events, at least since 2016 and maybe a little earlier. I genuinely have done some some self-assessment, and I think after the double whammy of four years of Trump, covid, the 1/6 insurrection–and a thousand cuts beyond that, I’ve found it somewhat insightful the commentators out there that suggest wallowing in all of this can be mentally harmful. I actually felt that way myself. I still believe we have responsibilities as citizens and part of society, so I don’t think we can just put our fingers in our ears and say “la la la”, but I think emotionally internalizing **all of these bad things** , for me at least, is not healthy–and I’ve chosen to quite deliberately stop doing that. When you take the emotion out of it, what I find myself left with are the policy questions, and I frankly think the emotions related to these events have proven to be unhelpful. I think they might _seem_ to be a powerful motivator for change, but because of how our country has developed, they develop equally, and maybe stronger, counter-reactions because they are now seen as incidents that the “gun grabbing left”, will seek to “weaponize” against gun owners to enable mass gun confiscation. Despite what another poster said, I don’t think I’m the smarter person in the world or even on these forums, I don’t have magic political answers, I have opinions–which is largely what any other poster on these forums shares in political threads–political opinions. I don’t know how to beat the GOP, but my opinion is the emotion laden approach on guns has not worked and will not work, so I want to shift the dialogue to systems based, not event based, thinking, various process changes and regulation changes, not confiscation. [I also am genuinely not supportive of any kind of large scale confiscation, I don’t want to be accused of trying to hide that.] I’ll say this though–I posted a political opinion in a **political thread** , I made sure it was the politics thread. There is a breaking news thread in MPSIMS that I have not posted in, there are multiple threads where people can just be recreationally mad. I don’t view it as a threadshit or dishonest to try to generate a political discussion in a political thread. Frankly, I think you guys were primed and ready to attack anyone who had any political opinion in that thread other than “OH MY GOD THEY ARE ALL SO EVIL”, and that’s simply what happened. Maybe I’m off base on that, but frankly this forum is fairly predictable, and the evidence I’ve seen suggests I’ve got the right of it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/82 "2022-05-25T14:40:39Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > {…} for the purpose of generating posts on off-board forums {…} Nice! Stealing Octopus’s shtick are we? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/83 "2022-05-25T14:46:41Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > And it suggests that the deaths of children don’t bother you nearly as much as the hurt feelings of your gun collection. He’s already said that quiet part out loud > [@Is there X amount of mass shootings that would change gun supporters' minds, or is that the wrong way to think?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-x-amount-of-mass-shootings-that-would-change-gun-supporters-minds-or-is-that-the-wrong-way-to-think/964380/253): > > I also firmly want it understood—I am 100% willing to trade more deaths for gun rights. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I guess we’ve reached the part of your performance where you confuse me with some other poster. What level of desperate do you have to be to think that being _ **compared** _ _unfavourably_ to one of the least-missed trolls indicates any confusion? The **Martin\_Hyde** kind of desperate, where none of the racist dogwhistles are sticking and you _still_ haven’t achieved release… ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/84 "2022-05-25T14:48:13Z")
One of the failings, I think, in your argument is that none of us – mainly, the people you deride on this subject – has Any Control Whatsoever about how this all plays out. We are incredibly frustrated about the inability of our politicians to do something to ameliorate the senseless gun deaths, and are in anguish watching the numbers increase. The Democratic machinery doesn’t report to me, doesn’t respond to me, and doesn’t really offer me much of a _real_ choice in the people for whom I might vote. And the last four years proved to us that – as powerless as individuals may feel/be – whatever _collective_ power may exist is being stripped from us piecemeal as those ‘who count the votes’ become Republican Manchurian Candidates. So … there isn’t a lot that we can practically do. And – while I don’t let the endless procession of the slaughter of innocents paralyze me with sorrow and depression, I _will_ consciously allow myself to feel what I feel _each and every fucking time_ it happens. But I feel powerless because I am powerless. And to beat a moribund horse: you really don’t have any ideas how to improve this situation either. In this situation, David [NPI] is losing badly to Goliath, and it’s overwhelmingly innocent victims who are enriching that fucker’s corporate masters. As is so often the case in the US: we privatize profit and socialize loss. So … go a little easy on those wringing their hands, gnashing their teeth, and clutching their pearls over … dead kids, huh ? We haven’t all hardened our hearts just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/85 "2022-05-25T14:48:17Z")
Now we’ve entered the part where @MrDibble is just repeat-posting things already posted and responded to–that’s some real high tech stuff there. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/86 "2022-05-25T14:49:22Z")
And I think I’m sympathetic to that, which is why I stayed out of various other threads, including the MPSIMS thread, about this. When I saw a thread posted in P&E, and literally with the phrase “the political thread”, I took it as an entirely fair venue to discuss and focus on the politics. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/87 "2022-05-25T14:52:34Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > But I feel powerless because I am powerless. And that’s exactly how they want you to feel, so that you need to go out and get yourself a gun to feel powerful again. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/88 "2022-05-25T14:55:15Z")
Aah, the part of the thread where the worm _thinks_ it can turn the pitting around. But the worm just ends up looking like this: [![](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/rickandmorty/images/2/22/WanJudiciousArmednylonshrimp-max-1mb.gif) ](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/rickandmorty/images/2/22/WanJudiciousArmednylonshrimp-max-1mb.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/89 "2022-05-25T14:55:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Y’all, these children are [acceptable causalities](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/is-there-x-amount-of-mass-shootings-that-would-change-gun-supporters-minds-or-is-that-the-wrong-way-to-think/964380/265) for him. Yikes, I’ve been on the fence with MH for a while. But fuck it, he’s a piece of shit who officially has zero redeeming qualities and is owed zero respect from anyone. If garbage person @Martin_Hyde is “willing to trade more deaths for gun rights”, how about he starts with people close to him instead of people he’ll never meet. It’s easy to spend other people’s money. What a piece of shit. Jesus fucking christ ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/90 "2022-05-25T15:04:36Z")
Mind you–I never said these children are acceptable casualties, as is typical with this crowd, that is of course intentionally misrepresenting what I said. A good indicator that this is what you see happening, is that instead of quoting me in full, he takes his own words and makes them into a hyperlink. What I said is that I am broadly fine with the United States as a country, having some number of deaths in exchange for gun rights. I’m loathe to literally re-open a full gun rights discussion right here right now, but this is actually something I see as obvious and consequent **to virtually every right we have.** The right to freedom of religion means we are going to have people get into extreme religious sects that might, for example, commit violent acts. The right to freedom of speech directly leads to many deaths. The right to travel frequently intersects with public safety. What an honest person is saying when they say something like that is they recognize that safety is almost always a trade off on one side or the other. if we had literally 0 guns in America, I think we would have fewer suicides and homicides. I don’t know how much fewer. But let’s assume that even with what I would call rational / sane gun control policies we could get the number down to X amount, I am saying that that’s a trade off that I am fine with making. 13,500 gun homicides is not a number I am fine with, I want to see it lower. If you put me to the sword and said “pick 13.5k gun homicides or 0 guns”, okay, if you force me to make a complete black and white choice, I’m picking gun rights. But I don’t live in a world where that is the only way we can approach things. I think that a regime of mandatory shall issue licensure, mandatory safety classes, an effective system for reporting people who are a risk of committing a gun crime and having a process to remove their guns, liability for improper storage of guns, felony charges mandatory for illegal possession, and no unregulated private transfers–I think those proposals would do a lot to lower the number of deaths. I’m in favor of all of those things. Edit to add–I also think no one should be allowed to own or possess a gun, outside of on a gun range or with a hunting license in a hunting area during hunting season, under the age of 21 (exceptions obviously for the military while on duty). And I think anyone under age 25 should be required to undergo a mental health evaluation before being issued a gun license. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/91 "2022-05-25T15:09:17Z")
This shitstain thinks we can’t read that he literally typed “ **more** deaths” in that thread, not the “An abstract amount of hypothetical deaths, whatever that may be” backpedal he’s attempting here. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/92 "2022-05-25T15:11:06Z")
And this is you, like you always do, choosing how you want to interpret my use of an innocuous word–and you do so in a way that allows you to do what you’re doing now, you’re getting your regularly scheduled histrionics/theatrics to thrill your hangers on. Righteous fury at the evil bad men. It’s just not serious, it doesn’t make me mad, doesn’t bother me, it’s just almost farcical the literal playbook you run every time. It’s interesting that no one even takes a second to really reflect on how tremendously dishonest you are. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/93 "2022-05-25T15:11:12Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Mind you–I never said these children are acceptable casualties fuck you > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > as is typical with this crowd, that is of course intentionally misrepresenting what I said. fuck you > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > nstead of quoting me in full fuck you sorry, i’ll fix my mistake. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Mind you–I never said these children are acceptable casualties, as is typical with this crowd, that is of course intentionally misrepresenting what I said. A good indicator that this is what you see happening, is that instead of quoting me in full, he takes his own words and makes them into a hyperlink. > > What I said is that I am broadly fine with the United States as a country, having some number of deaths in exchange for gun rights. I’m loathe to literally re-open a full gun rights discussion right here right now, but this is actually something I see as obvious and consequent **to virtually every right we have.** The right to freedom of religion means we are going to have people get into extreme religious sects that might, for example, commit violent acts. The right to freedom of speech directly leads to many deaths. The right to travel frequently intersects with public safety. > > What an honest person is saying when they say something like that is they recognize that safety is almost always a trade off on one side or the other. if we had literally 0 guns in America, I think we would have fewer suicides and homicides. I don’t know how much fewer. But let’s assume that even with what I would call rational / sane gun control policies we could get the number down to X amount, I am saying that that’s a trade off that I am fine with making. 13,500 gun homicides is not a number I am fine with, I want to see it lower. If you put me to the sword and said “pick 13.5k gun homicides or 0 guns”, okay, if you force me to make a complete black and white choice, I’m picking gun rights. But I don’t live in a world where that is the only way we can approach things. > > I think that a regime of mandatory shall issue licensure, mandatory safety classes, an effective system for reporting people who are a risk of committing a gun crime and having a process to remove their guns, liability for improper storage of guns, felony charges mandatory for illegal possession, and no unregulated private transfers–I think those proposals would do a lot to lower the number of deaths. I’m in favor of all of those things. > > Edit to add–I also think no one should be allowed to own or possess a gun, outside of on a gun range or with a hunting license in a hunting area during hunting season, under the age of 21 (exceptions obviously for the military while on duty). And I think anyone under age 25 should be required to undergo a mental health evaluation before being issued a gun license fuck you ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/94 "2022-05-25T15:11:26Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > And this is you, like you always do, choosing how you want to interpret my use of an innocuous word–and you do so in a way that allows you to do what you’re doing now, you’re getting your regularly scheduled histrionics/theatrics to thrill your hangers on. Righteous fury at the evil bad men. > > It’s just not serious, it doesn’t make me mad, doesn’t bother me, it’s just almost farcical the literal playbook you run every time. It’s interesting that no one even takes a second to really reflect on how tremendously dishonest you are fuck you ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/95 "2022-05-25T15:17:43Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > an innocuous word > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > more deaths Oh, yeah, this is me being “histrionic”. Whistle away, motherfucker, whistle away. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > It’s interesting that no one even takes a second to really reflect on how tremendously dishonest you are. I guess it’s because they’re all just mentally ill, bleating stupid sheep, eh? > [@How is genocide defined, with an emphasis on cultural genocide?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-is-genocide-defined-with-an-emphasis-on-cultural-genocide/944198/112): > > one reason I frequently have taken long sabbaticals from these forums is it’s a den of mentally ill leftists, always has been, always will be. Most are simply bleating, stupid sheep. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/96 "2022-05-25T15:22:40Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I guess it’s because they’re all just mentally ill, bleating stupid sheep, eh? How dare you misrepresent what Marty’s said with direct, in situ, quotes! ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/97 "2022-05-25T15:23:31Z")
I mean it is histrionic–even in the thread in question it was explained quite clearly. There’s an obvious reason you won’t quote those posts, they make your argument look silly. What I’m mostly curious to see now, and the only reason I even am engaging with you in this thread, is how long you can continue your play acting. Do you get bored after a few more posts? Do you find four or five different ways to snip small parts of previous posts of mine and take them out of context? Do you drop some more “motherfuckers.” What’s your stamina to continue your little play? I find very little surprising or interesting in these performances of yours, _other than_ they expose how much of a genuine troll you are. What other word is there for someone who is clearly lying and attempting to incite some sort of reaction from another poster? That is textbook trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/98 "2022-05-25T15:23:56Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I mean it is histrionic–even in the thread in question it was explained quite clearly. There’s an obvious reason you won’t quote those posts, they make your argument look silly. > > What I’m mostly curious to see now, and the only reason I even am engaging with you in this thread, is how long you can continue your play acting. Do you get bored after a few more posts? Do you find four or five different ways to snip small parts of previous posts of mine and take them out of context? Do you drop some more “motherfuckers.” What’s your stamina to continue your little play? I find very little surprising or interesting in these performances of yours, _other than_ they expose how much of a genuine troll you are. What other word is there for someone who is clearly lying and attempting to incite some sort of reaction from another poster? That is textbook trolling fuck you ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/99 "2022-05-25T15:26:27Z")
Big brain posting: > [@Joey\_P](#): > > fuck you > [@Joey\_P](#): > > fuck you > [@Joey\_P](#): > > fuck you > sorry, i’ll fix my mistake. > [@Joey\_P](#): > > fuck you > [@Joey\_P](#): > > fuck > [@Joey\_P](#): > > fuck you Imagine being an adult human and acting this way. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/100 "2022-05-25T15:27:05Z")
Imagine thinking it’s okay to murder people. Fucking dirtbag, [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=6)