# Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED} **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045 "2022-05-24T22:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1221 "2022-07-19T02:23:12Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > He’s just deflecting. He’s a lying liar and we should give his word the exact amount of credulity it deserves. Oh here, let me help since you’re on The List and I’m sure **Martin\_Hide** will want to see your post. Because you’re spot on. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1222 "2022-07-19T02:28:20Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > That’s because the sort of people who participate in Pit threads are the sort of people who happily joined into lynch mobs. The thought occurs that one of the most effective ways to avoid becoming the victim of a lynch mob is probably to not be where the lynch mob is. The fact that you eschew this strategy suggests that you prefer to NOT avoid the “lynch mob.” I’ll be candid. Your continued returns to the thread are largely responsible for my not becoming bored enough to just stop clicking on it. Not to say that it isn’t tiresome. > [@](#): > > The Pit is a good place to see the moral depravity of this board on prime display. Soooooo, you’re slumming? I guess that’s _one_ way to live your life. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1223 "2022-07-19T03:17:45Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I am not a troll. Ah-ha! Just another one of your lies to obfuscate your true identity, I expect. Can’t fool me! _Adds “is a troll” to spreadsheet of identity clues_ ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1224 "2022-07-19T03:26:18Z")
It won’t help if you include the name of the poster in the quote tags, as Discourse will still hide the post. Try this: > **Sunny\_Daze** : > He’s just deflecting. He’s a lying liar and we should give his word the exact amount of credulity it deserves. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1225 "2022-07-19T03:29:19Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I thought I was just making the point that participating in one’s own Pitting is a no-win activity (once one has taken conceding the point and apologizing off the table). Eh, there’s also value in trying to explain yourself, to let people know that they misunderstood (as you just did), but you’d need there to actually be a good argument. Know when it’s not working and shut up, rather than dig the hole deeper. Or at least to admit that your reasoning was bad and that you will try to do better—but then that’s an apology. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1226 "2022-07-19T04:12:54Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The fact that you eschew this strategy suggests that you prefer to NOT avoid the “lynch mob.” Eh, he fits the typical profile of the lynchers far more than the rest of the posters. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1227 "2022-07-19T04:30:00Z")
I forget Discourse is dumb, thx. I was mostly just being an asshole though. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1228 "2022-07-19T04:41:40Z")
Okay, who really believes this is the actual ignore list the guest of dishonor had before it finally got to him that more people checked the posts and saw that **ASL\_v2.0** brought a heaping pile of proof to the table? And the real reason for ignoring **Beckdawrek** is certainly not what said guest posted here. Dude. Here’s some West Point slang for you (which, by the way, I got from my oldest brother who, in fact, attended that fine academy and left the United States Army as a major): “found”. That means what you did has been discovered. Oh, and here’s another bit of USMA slang I got from my brother: “unalright”. That means the individual so described is in violation of a regulation. You’ve been found and you’re unalright. Drop all the pretenses and accept the fact that you did not exercise due diligence in creating your fictional persona. And you should probably never ever again post in a military-related thread on SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1229 "2022-07-19T04:42:58Z")
You mean your real name isn’t Martin Hyde? 🤯 There’s a particular Republican in my state with that name who I assumed was you. * * * I’ve been pretty blasé about my personal info. Before the switch to Discourse I believe my personal email - with my full name - was viewable by any registered member who wanted to email me. So was my (defunct) website which I’m pretty sure lists my home address with a WHOIS request. I have tried not to publicly post my hometown or home address, but the fact is that these are public information and have been since I registered to vote. Anyone who tries Googling for their own name and address, can use the same sites to find mine. I mean, _maybe_ someone will doxx me and _then_ I’ll understand. But I really don’t have an expectation of privacy. I feel like I have more privacy driving down the highway. Sure, you can stay strictly anonymous on the internet. It’s still possible, for example by regularly throwing away accounts, or posting to anon-boards, or simply never sharing details about your life. Or you could outright lie. But, if you’re _totally_ anonymous - if you never reveal anything about yourself - you can’t be part of a community. Anonymity and community are inherently contradictory concepts. Are you still a member of this community, **Martin\_Hyde**? A man is only as good as his word, especially in his correspondences with total strangers. Now your word is worthless. You say your word has _always_ been worthless and you laugh at those of us who would trust any other member at his word. Were you _ever_ a member of this community, **Martin\_Hyde**? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1230 "2022-07-19T04:51:51Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > And you should probably never ever again post in a military-related thread on SDMB. Allow me to modify that: > And you should probably never ever again post ~~in a military-related thread~~ on SDMB. The disingenuous lying fuck should be banned as a useless discredited lying troll who has lost any respect or credibility he may ever have had, and who apparently – by his own admission – holds everyone on this board in contempt. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1231 "2022-07-19T04:53:54Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Okay, who really believes this is the actual ignore list the guest of dishonor had before it finally got to him that more people checked the posts and saw that **ASL\_v2.0** brought a heaping pile of proof to the table? Yeah, that was a pretty big line of bullshit as well. He suddenly dropped out of a thread he was monitoring and posting in regularly because a single poster was on ignore even though a bunch of other people were posting. He _obviously_ saw the post from ASL and all the fall out and then took some time away to make up this bullshit story about how he’s a liar but now how we think. It’s pure cringe, as the kids say. If he hadn’t been a sdmb for so long I’d swear he was 14. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1232 "2022-07-19T04:57:00Z")
Are any mods monitoring this thread? ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1233 "2022-07-19T04:58:40Z")
Oh yeah, pretty sure they like a laugh as much as anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1234 "2022-07-19T05:16:06Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > There’s no personally identifiable information in this post, other than I have a service coat in my closet that backs up a claim I’ve made about my military service. Your phone probably embeds GPS data in the original image, but that can be scrubbed either manually or by the image hosting site when you upload it. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1235 "2022-07-19T05:25:09Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > this is a place that literally glorifies race baiters, the mentally ill, communists etc. I’m familiar with the standard conservative tropes confusing acknowledgement of racism and racial discrimination with “race baiting”, and confusing liberals with “communists”. But in what way are you suggesting that the SDMB “glorifies” “the mentally ill”? Are you just referring to the general liberal principle that mental illness should be acknowledged and treated rather than considered a shameful stigma? Or is what you’re talking about the baseline SDMB position of rejecting homophobia and transphobia? You’re not really still [trying to defend the position that being gay or transgender is a mental illness,](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-explain-transgenderism-to-me/247546/85) [are you?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-transgender-dopers/622685/23) > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > In my mind homosexuality and transexuality are almost invariably mental disorders/illnesses. Now whether they are caused by environmental or genetic factors is irrelevant, it doesn’t change what they are, mental illnesses. […] > > to be an illness to my mind it does have to cause harm, and I think both transexuality and homosexuality do. […] > > Lot’s of people do indeed just consider these things “traits.” I’m sure someone born with a genetic disorder that has them lacking arms, legs, proper functioning kidneys et cetera may think of these things as “traits” and they are, but they are negative traits (and can be called deformaties, mutations, and genetic disorders) and the properly evolved human body doesn’t posess those traits > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > […] just physical men and women who through mental illness have become convinced they are something they are not. […] > > There’s no such thing as a cisgendered woman, there are regular women who do not have a mental illness and men who have the mental illness that causes them to believe they are women. Because I had thought [you later walked that back somewhat:](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/gender-identity-is-mental-illness/667011/243) > [@](#): > > It’s undeniable they are dysphoric, but someone with GID isn’t necessarily delusional. […] > > My opinion on that has evolved, I used to feel it was medically irresponsible to allow people to modify their bodies due to dysphorias, as there are other forms of dysphoria where we would actually step in to prevent the patient from doing this. Is this another of those situations where somebody seems to have made some progress in overcoming reactionary views but then relapses right back into them as soon as they feel provoked about something? Because it’s getting more and more difficult to blame your current rhetoric on your hypothetical asshole brother-in-law. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1236 "2022-07-19T05:28:19Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > You’re not really still [trying to defend the position that being gay or transgender is a mental illness,](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/please-explain-transgenderism-to-me/247546/85) [are you?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/any-transgender-dopers/622685/23) It is in fact against the rules to defend that position, so I don’t think it’s fair to push the point or to say a lack of defense implies progress. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1237 "2022-07-19T05:32:46Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > here is my current list of ignored posters: Note: no **Stranger\_On\_A\_Train** there > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > as routine if I know someone has me on ignore, I also put them on ignore. > [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > I was starting to wonder why I had put him on ignore. But now I remember… Martin [replying to Stranger](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde/965045/20) just a few posts later… Yeah, it’s not just personal details the lying liar lies about. He’s just a pathological lying troll. Probably even a hoplophobe IRL. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1238 "2022-07-19T05:34:02Z")
Those damn bone spurs. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1239 "2022-07-19T05:35:02Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > hoplophobe New word, thanks! ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1240 "2022-07-19T05:44:03Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > It is in fact against the rules to defend that position, so I don’t think it’s fair to push the point What “push”? Martin\_Hyde in a recent post spontaneously volunteered the statement that he considers the SDMB “a place that literally glorifies […] the mentally ill”. Nobody “pushed” him to say that. I don’t understand what he means by that statement, unless it’s a deliberate reassertion of his formerly, and repeatedly, stated positions about homosexuality and transgender identity being mental illnesses. Which is why I asked him what he meant by that statement. If his meaning was something different, he’s free to say so. If, on the other hand, he was just trying to reassert his previously stated position but in a sufficiently vague way that he wouldn’t get called on it for possibly violating Board rules, ISTM that that’s his problem. I don’t think it should be legit to use the phrase “glorifies mental illness” as a deliberate and easily recognized dogwhistle for “thinks it’s okay to be homosexual or transgender”, and if somebody is trying to do that, I don’t think it’s unfair to “push” them on it by asking them what they mean. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=63)