# Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED} **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045 "2022-05-24T22:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1261 "2022-07-19T14:23:14Z")
Wow. I was completely unaware of this guy and his obvious lies about Army service. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1262 "2022-07-19T14:24:25Z")
Well, looks like he slapped his last sheep. Good riddance. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1263 "2022-07-19T14:24:26Z")
I think the best thing to come out of this is the concept of “Defensive Doxxing,” where you prep a case-file you can use to doxx someone _just in case_, and that makes you sane and rational and a good poster. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1264 "2022-07-19T14:26:25Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > To be honest, 3 days is fairly fast for a long time poster. The offense in this case was pretty blatant. Wait, he’s being banned for lying about details of his personal life? That’s a banning offense? I thought the normal punishment for that was merciless mockery and dragging. If that’s what happened here, why for the love of God are we still doing this - we have a poster who is an obvious troll, who everyone hates except for the other obvious trolls. Do the mods ban him for being an obvious troll? No, this behavior smolders for years and years, degrading the quality of discourse, and then he gets banned for some penny-ante bullshit. This teaches trolls (or really everyone) that they’re free to pursue obvious low-intensity trolling for an extended period of time, as long as they keep their story straight and avoid certain bright-line triggers. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1265 "2022-07-19T14:27:24Z")
Thanks to the mods for moving quickly once he blew up, and a big bucket of mazels to the posters (@ASL_v2.0 in particular, @wolfpup as runner-up, but several others as well) who put in the time to make the case and prod him into his self-righteous implosion. It’s weird: I’ve been here forever but he didn’t pop up on my “ew, gross” radar until the whole ‘acceptable casualties’ mass shooting debacle. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1266 "2022-07-19T14:27:40Z")
Shades of Al Capone getting convicted for income tax evasion? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1267 "2022-07-19T14:28:08Z")
Even in the extremely unlikely event he’s being truthful about his practice of proactively obfuscating his biography to avoid identification, it’s ironic that he accuses this board of being full of “mentally ill” people when he himself is displaying a volcanic degree of paranoia. Also, considering his obsession with the board, I’d like the over-under on the number of days before he’s caught trying to sneak back in under a new name. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1268 "2022-07-19T14:28:21Z")
> [@Cardigan](#): > > Shades of Al Capone getting convicted for income tax evasion? Yes, apparently that’s how we mod long-term trolls around here. Been a pet peeve of mine for a while now. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1269 "2022-07-19T14:28:46Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Wait, he’s being banned for lying about details of his personal life? That’s a banning offense? I thought the normal punishment for that was merciless mockery and dragging. If you are concerned about moderation on the SDMB, please raise the issue in ATMB so it can be discussed. Thanks, Rickjay Moderator ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1270 "2022-07-19T14:29:04Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Too late. I found you. > > [Sarasota Republican Congressional Candidate Martin Hyde Is a Lightning Rod for Controversy | Sarasota Magazine](https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/news-and-profiles/2022/07/martin-hyde-sarasota) I’m glad someone posted this. I ran across it a few days earlier but decided against posting it because I assumed it wasn’t likely to be him since this guy is in Sarasota. But since Martin freely and openly admitted to lying about where he lives…maybe it is him. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1271 "2022-07-19T14:29:54Z")
Deleted, this is not atmb. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1272 "2022-07-19T14:30:05Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Wait, he’s being banned for lying about details of his personal life? That’s a banning offense? Depends on the severity, and the trollishness with which you do it, I guess. Other posters have been caught out in white lies and not banned. But that’s a different kettle of fish from completely lying about stuff like military service to win arguments, I’d warrant. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1273 "2022-07-19T14:30:19Z")
The Announcement thread in the ATMB will be fleshed out later. There was more to the decision (quite a bit) but that was the specific rule violation that the banning built around. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1274 "2022-07-19T14:30:23Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > If you are concerned about moderation on the SDMB, please raise the issue in ATMB so it can be discussed. Thread exists, is closed. Unsure how to proceed. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1275 "2022-07-19T14:30:50Z")
Very accurate post. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1276 "2022-07-19T14:31:19Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Thread exists, is closed. Unsure how to proceed. That thread is an announcement. You’re certainly free to raise a thread on the more general issue. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1277 "2022-07-19T14:37:02Z")
It’s also worth pointing out that this thread is an example of the best possible use of the Pit re: internecine squabbles. Martin isn’t the first long-time asshole to lash out as a result of a deserved putting and earn an overdue ban as a result. I rarely stray into the pit and, when I do, I lately try to talk past the pitee rather than directly confront them. I’ve decided that it’s fruitless at best and - at worst - damaging in a “wrestling with pigs” sort of way. I generally feel that pit threads, like funerals, are more about giving everyone **else** an opportunity to express negative emotions. This is a case where the ban only came about because several posters weren’t afraid to get muddy. It’s nice to be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1278 "2022-07-19T14:46:53Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > The Announcement thread in the ATMB will be fleshed out later. There was more to the decision (quite a bit) but that was the specific rule violation that the banning built around. Yes, the current announcement is a placeholder for a note complete announcement to come. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1279 "2022-07-19T15:03:45Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > > [@hajario](#): > > > > Too late. I found you. > > > > [Sarasota Republican Congressional Candidate Martin Hyde Is a Lightning Rod for Controversy | Sarasota Magazine](https://www.sarasotamagazine.com/news-and-profiles/2022/07/martin-hyde-sarasota) > > I’m glad someone posted this. I ran across it a few days earlier but decided against posting it because I assumed it wasn’t likely to be him since this guy is in Sarasota. > But since Martin freely and openly admitted to lying about where he lives…maybe it is him. I doubt that it’s him but it’s a hilarious coincidence. I looked up the name to see if it was a reference of some kind. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/1280 "2022-07-19T15:05:37Z")
I’m probably giving myself more time in metaphorical purgatory for this, but F\*\*\* it, it’s worth it. When I posted about M\_H’s prior pit thread and my reaction to his troll-thought, it was because he basically said everyone (on and off board) who was complaining about duration, frequency, and volume were prone to ““exaggerate””. (Direct quote, and yes, he used scare quotes). And that we all needed to “get over [our]selves”. This was in the paragraphs before the section I quoted upthread where he out and out gives vent to his internal hideous little troll. But in the same fireworks thread I responded to him thusly - > [@To those setting off fireworks: Fuck you, you fucking FUCKS!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/to-those-setting-off-fireworks-fuck-you-you-fucking-fucks/945693/150): > > Well, I guess that’s a polite way of calling me a liar. You’re wrong in that, but hey, this is the PIT. What more do I expect of you. May you find equal belief in your veracity going forward. Excuse me, I need to find a TARDIS so I may tell myself of the past that his veracity now lies in burned, soiled tatters strewn about the floor after having been used to wipe ourselves after we took a dump on his banned self. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=65)