# Pit thread for Martin\_Hyde {He has been BANNED} **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 24, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045 "2022-05-24T22:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/161 "2022-05-25T18:37:28Z")
^Is this sea lioning? I truly don’t know. Trying to read people’s minds? Putting words in other people’s mouths? When you come up with an intelligent, and/or interesting question, maybe I’ll answer it. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/162 "2022-05-25T18:40:12Z")
> [@saucywench](#): > > too personal. It also makes the person saying those things sound like an animal, or a sub-human. Only if the person judging is apt to think in those terms. Which does say a lot about said person, IMHO . ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/163 "2022-05-25T18:41:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > What is it with these racist haemorrhoids and the having to announce their departures like anyone gave a shit? I mean you were worked into such a frothy lather I wanted you to know you could take a break. I also note you’ve randomly started calling me racist as well–another page out of the playbook I see. > [@madmonk28](#): > > This is how I think I should communicate with a piece of shit who helps facilitate murder, yes. A) I informed you that you’re a piece of shit; B) I explained why you’re a piece of shit (you let your fears control you to the point that you let thousands of people be slaughtered); C) I tell you how to stop being a piece of shit (stop letting your fears control you, stop being a racist); and D) I close by reiterating my central thesis that you’re a piece of shit. You’re a piece of shit. “Helps facilitate murder.” Do you have any idea how unhinged you sound? I certainly do no such thing. > [@Mijin](#): > > Sure, but why does that mean 100% beating up on Dems, who have proposed policies including light regulation and including policies that you yourself are in favor of? **Because I want to win.** I’m not a Democrat now, but I’m a dem-aligned Independent, **I don’t like losing.** I get genuinely angry at things that the Democrats do that I associate with losing. There is not a “both sides” to this argument. There are the Democrats, and there are any potentially persuadable non-Democrats. That’s it. There is no other side. There’s a wall called the GOP. You cannot expect much from a wall. To get by it you have to figure out a way through, over or under it. That wall’s strength is built by winning elections, it is weakened by losing them. There is no meaningful gun reform without winning elections. And playing into grievance cycles and politics that have done nothing but lose Dems votes for 30 years just makes that Republican wall ever stronger. Do people realize the Democrats haven’t just failed to advance gun control in most places, we’ve actually seen **a significant expansion in bad gun laws–like unrestricted carry becoming normalized in something like 26 states.** Democrats aren’t just losing this, they are losing it big. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > It is interesting what does and does not trouble you, Martin. > > It’s not a good look for you, but it _is_ interesting. It troubles me when people on these forums wish death on me and mine, yes. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > He’s here because he’s a coward of a troll. I’m not the one wishing death on innocent people. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “I’ve been unfailingly polite, and **YOU** people have been nothing but **RUDE** ” Yeah, I’m not wishing death on people. > [@k9bfriender](#): > > I dunno. If people like @Martin_Hyde get their way, there will be more and more gun deaths. Why should it only be people with no connection to him that pay the price? Why do you hope that the next person killed by a gun _isn’t_ known by @Martin_Hyde? You mean if we got fairly comprehensive gun control like I have posted that I am in favor of, we would have more deaths? Would you like to check back with yourself and revise that statement? > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’d guess very frustrated that the poster in question is explicitly all in favor of unlimited numbers of gun deaths of people he does not know. A total and complete lack of empathy for strangers. An attempt to point this out - in less than stellar fashion. I am not in favor of any gun deaths, unlike people in this thread who have wished death upon my friends and family. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > But you are fine with more deaths of people you don’t know as long as your gun fetish is fed, aren’t you? You place all the blame on Democrats approaching the problem the wrong way while knowing full well that there is NO approach that the Republicans will accept. There’s two ways to read this, one way is this is just an attack, the other is that it’s a genuine question. I assess it has a 95% chance of just being an attack. On the 5% odds it isn’t an attack–no I am not fine with deaths of people I don’t know, but I am willing to accept the reality that certain liberties–in this case gun liberty, will mean some bad or some disturbed people do bad things with guns. I view that as a cost of the liberty, that doesn’t mean I like or am fine with it. Beyond that–there are non-Pit Threads going on where the actual issue of gun rights vs policy can be discussed, it isn’t productive to get too into the details here. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/164 "2022-05-25T18:43:31Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > It troubles me when people on these forums wish death on me and mine, yes. That their mere words – with barely a metaphysical _possibility_ of causing harm to your and yours – strongly appear to trouble you more than the countless number of innocent gun violence victims … is, itself, troubling. These kids were torn to shreds by bullets. You were rent asunder by words. I don’t support the words used, but I understand the frustration that gave rise to them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/165 "2022-05-25T18:44:02Z")
Fuck your “assessment”, and fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/166 "2022-05-25T18:44:54Z")
Nice, we went with the 95% option. > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > That their mere words – with barely a metaphysical _possibility_ of causing harm to your and yours – strongly appear to trouble you more than the countless number of innocent gun violence victims … is, itself, troubling. > > These kids were torn to shreds by bullets. You were rent asunder by words. > > I don’t support the words used, but I understand the frustration that gave rise to them. There is as manifest difference between wishing death on a person and accepting it as an inevitable outcome of another decision. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/167 "2022-05-25T18:47:47Z")
My sincere question is this: What if you were one of those parents who lost their child? Would you still be okay with an abstract “inevitability”? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/168 "2022-05-25T18:47:51Z")
Nah. She got through to you, Martin. You assessed that **Max\_S** – among other things – lacked empathy. I’m beginning to understand your facility to recognize this trait. Many of us are feeling the hurt of these kids, their families, their communities _almost as much_ as you’re feeling the sting of @Drsunflower1 's words. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/169 "2022-05-25T18:47:58Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > “Helps facilitate murder.” Do you have any idea how unhinged you sound? I certainly do no such thing. Ya know what sounds like an unhinged person facilitating murder? This: “I also firmly want it understood—I am 100% willing to trade more deaths for gun rights.” > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I’m not the one wishing death on innocent people. “I also firmly want it understood—I am 100% willing to trade more deaths for gun rights.” > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Yeah, I’m not wishing death on people. “I also firmly want it understood—I am 100% willing to trade more deaths for gun rights.” > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I am not in favor of any gun deaths “I also firmly want it understood—I am 100% willing to trade more deaths for gun rights.” fuck you ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/170 "2022-05-25T18:48:38Z")
Oh good you’re back. You’re a piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/171 "2022-05-25T18:49:03Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > It troubles me when people on these forums wish death on me and mine, yes. “I also firmly want it understood—I am 100% willing to trade more deaths for gun rights.” ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/172 "2022-05-25T18:49:38Z")
Again–this person wished death on people. That is immoral. If you don’t believe it is immoral, you are also immoral. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/173 "2022-05-25T18:49:54Z")
It also feels like, Martin, you’re more troubled by the profanity – used _in response to_ an unimaginable profanity (these gun killings) – than you are by the gun killings themselves. Whether or not this is what’s in your head and heart, I’ll promise you that I’m not the only one to whom you’re coming across this way. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/174 "2022-05-25T18:50:37Z")
Who do you keep referring to? Who wished death on anyone? Also, what was I lying about? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/175 "2022-05-25T18:51:36Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Again–this person wished death on people. That is immoral. If you don’t believe it is immoral, you are also immoral Nice tautology. Patented ? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/176 "2022-05-25T18:53:03Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I mean you were worked into such a frothy lather I wanted you to know you could take a break. Whistle-whistle. I’m sure I wasn’t the one “Working up a frothy lather” while they were AFK, ya perv. > [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > I also note you’ve randomly started calling me racist as well–another page out of the playbook I see. Nothing random about it - the genocide denial, the support for Stop and Frisk, the coded words about “inner cities” and “illegal immigration”. Not random at all, no. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/177 "2022-05-25T18:54:13Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > It also feels like, Martin, you’re more troubled by the profanity – used _in response to_ an unimaginable profanity (these gun killings) – than you are by the gun killings themselves. > > Whether or not this is what’s in your head and heart, I’ll promise you that I’m not the only one to whom you’re coming across this way. I care far more about gun deaths than use of profanity–but no one in this thread is actively committing gun crimes at the moment, although some people have started wishing it on innocents. I find the childish ad homs, and honestly the entire childishness of the Pit where first class histrionic trolls like @MrDibble gets to play act for his ignorant hangers on, to be stupid and childish. I mock the childish profanity use because I find it silly and dumb. It is certainly not because I “care more about it” than children being killed. What I also will say is I don’t embrace immoral actions like you do–you openly have said now you are fine with wishing death on other poster’s friends and family. How dare you think you have any grounds to judge me. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/178 "2022-05-25T18:54:39Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > although some people have started wishing it on innocents WHO?? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/179 "2022-05-25T18:55:09Z")
I’d like to make one thing abundantly clear: 22 (is it still 22 ?) people were senselessly and needlessly murdered in Uvalde, Texas. But @Martin_Hyde is the **real** victim. [mic drop] ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045/180 "2022-05-25T18:55:22Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > How dare you think you have any grounds to judge me. Because you say stupid fucking shit like “I also firmly want it understood—I am 100% willing to trade more deaths for gun rights.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pit-thread-for-martin-hyde-he-has-been-banned/965045.md?page=10)