# Pitting all the morons in the whole Monster Pig/Hogzilla trainwreck **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 5, 2007, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854 "2007-06-05T15:59:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/21 "2007-06-05T19:32:08Z")
[QUOTE=Sailboat] Second link in post #4. Sailboat [/QUOTE] Thanks. Is it wrong of me to say that Dad is a pretty big hog himself? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/22 "2007-06-05T20:11:40Z")
[QUOTE=Neon Mower] Four days after Fred was installed inside the fence, the boy was given a large handgun loaded with drastically weakened ammo, making it incapable of doing more than wounding a large animal. … They stood by while the boy, blasted away ineffectually with his inadequte weapon, his aim so bad that he actually gut-shot the poor animal. The adults allowed this to go on for three hours, until the pig finally died. The obese little brat who gut-shot the poor animal, then chased it around for three hours taking pot-shots at the pig till it mercifully, finally died? [/QUOTE] Do you have a cite for the “_drastically weakened ammo_” part? ---
**Author:** ![Neon\_Mower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a8b319/32.png) [@Neon\_Mower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neon_Mower)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/23 "2007-06-05T20:32:57Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] Do you have a cite for the “_drastically weakened ammo_” part? [/QUOTE] I am still looking for the cite. It was a very technical analysis of the firearms and ammo used in this “hunt” and was on some obscure hunting blog. I don’t really understand calibers and grains and ported barrels and all that, but the gist of the discussion was that both the the gun and ammo had been modified in order to reduce the recoil on the pistol so that the kid could handle it. And that, unfortunately, the result was rounds that were not powerful enough to achieve a clean kill. That’s why it took nine shots and three hours for the pig to die. Again, I apologize for the lake of cite there, hopefully a gun expert will happen along and explain the facts, or alternatively, I will be able to locate the blog that explained it. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/24 "2007-06-05T21:05:45Z")
[QUOTE=Duck Duck Goose] Haven’t you ever heard the old Hollywood maxim? “The only bad publicity is **no** publicity”? 😉 [/QUOTE] Tell that to Smith & Wesson. The most powerful handgun they make almost couldn’t kill a pig. Even with the reduced loads, that’s not something you want publicized. ---
**Author:** ![Neon\_Mower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a8b319/32.png) [@Neon\_Mower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neon_Mower)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/25 "2007-06-05T21:35:50Z")
[QUOTE=Dag Otto] Tell that to Smith & Wesson. The most powerful handgun they make almost couldn’t kill a pig. Even with the reduced loads, that’s not something you want publicized. [/QUOTE] Last week, the [monsterpig.com](http://monsterpig.com) site proudly sported a sponsorship link from Smith & Wesson. Said link has quietly disappeared off the site, along with: 1. All the “monster pig” photos except one small one 2. All mention of the kid getting a part in the Hogzilla movie 3. All references to “congrats” from celebrities like Lynyrd Skynrd, etc 4. All claims as to the pig being “BIGGER than Hogzilla” 5. The link to Jamison’s “bio”, where it is revealed that his ambition is “to be in the movies” :rolleyes: 6. The link to the father’s business, [stoneauctioneers.com](http://stoneauctioneers.com) and 1. The link to the father’s crazy rant against his critics. However, Stone forget to delete the actual page, which is here, along with most (not all) of the original photos: [http://www.monsterpig.com/talk\_about\_stinky\_journalism.htm](http://www.monsterpig.com/talk_about_stinky_journalism.htm) Hmm ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/26 "2007-06-05T21:46:04Z")
I’m not Mr. Morality but would’ve like to have heard dad explaining to son how this sort of hoax was a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/27 "2007-06-05T21:48:32Z")
Wowee! That’s a really large man! ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/28 "2007-06-05T21:55:21Z")
[QUOTE=Neon Mower] By having the kid pose with the pig’s skull (which he easily holds in his hands and is narrower than the kid’s torso), they’ve stupidly overlooked the fact that they’ve provided more proof of the hog’s actual size **and** that the photos were deliberately misleading. :smack: [/QUOTE] That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/29 "2007-06-05T22:01:43Z")
At the bottom of the main page at their site is a picture of the kid photoshopped into a famous Bigfoot photo. I foresee the next version of “[tourist guy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourist_guy)” ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/30 "2007-06-05T22:01:45Z")
> [@asshole dad](#): > > Please remember that as we work and hunt, it is also our God Given Right as Christians to hunt for the lost souls about us. You do not need a license and you can hunt in any state or country. Those lost souls will truly be our greatest trophies in the end. I know where he can start… [http://monsterpig.com/dad’s%20letter.htm](http://monsterpig.com/dad's%20letter.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2007, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/31 "2007-06-05T22:49:14Z")
Monster Pig/Hogzilla train wreck? I thought this was about some flame war in a thread that I’d missed somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/32 "2007-06-06T02:21:18Z")
I think it’s also moronic to make references to the child’s size in insulting ways as if that were part of the problem. Of course, this is the Pit and if you wish to insult absent overweight children here, what’s to stop you? I wonder what percentage of the people who read your OP have weight problems. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/33 "2007-06-06T03:47:45Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] I think it’s also moronic to make references to the child’s size in insulting ways as if that were part of the problem. Of course, this is the Pit and if you wish to insult absent overweight children here, what’s to stop you? [/QUOTE] Perhaps only the blinding glare from your halo or the ear-splitting, plaintive wail of the violin strings? ---
**Author:** ![Neon\_Mower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a8b319/32.png) [@Neon\_Mower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neon_Mower)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/34 "2007-06-06T04:55:39Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Perhaps only the blinding glare from your halo or the ear-splitting, plaintive wail of the violin strings? [/QUOTE] The kid obviously has a breakfast sausage problem. Look what it led him to. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/35 "2007-06-06T05:01:40Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] I think it’s also moronic to make references to the child’s size in insulting ways as if that were part of the problem. [/QUOTE] I dunno. Realistically, what you’ve got here is a tame pig. Would a (not remarkably) overweight 11-year-old boy truly be in shape to track and kill a wounded and enraged 1/2 ton hog? What bugs me the more I think about it is a vision of this animal whose only comfort has ever come from humans being put out to be turned on by humans. ---
**Author:** ![Neon\_Mower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a8b319/32.png) [@Neon\_Mower](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neon_Mower)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/36 "2007-06-06T05:19:12Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] I dunno. Realistically, what you’ve got here is a tame pig. Would a (not remarkably) overweight 11-year-old boy truly be in shape to track and kill a wounded and enraged 1/2 ton hog? What bugs me the more I think about it is a vision of this animal whose only comfort has ever come from humans being put out to be turned on by humans. [/QUOTE] Yeah. According to the pig’s owners, Fred favorite treat was canned sweet potatoes. He’d gone from being fed regularly on the farm to suddenly being alone in the woods with no idea how to obtain his own food. I have this sad image in my head of the kid loudly opening up a couple cans of sweet potatoes and the happy pig trotting up, looking for his treat. ☹ As far as the overweight boy “tracking and killing”…Fred was pretty obese himself, he wouldn’t have been able to move much faster than a pregnant cow. Plus, he had lived a sedentary life right up until he was dumped into the kill pen. He had no fear of humans and no need to ever move particularly fast. He must have been so bewildered when the kid started chasing and shooting and hurting him. :mad: Poor Fred. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/37 "2007-06-06T13:17:19Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Perhaps only the blinding glare from your halo or the ear-splitting, plaintive wail of the violin strings? [/QUOTE] 😛😛😛 ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/38 "2007-06-06T14:17:40Z")
[QUOTE=Neon Mower] The kid obviously has a breakfast sausage problem. Look what it led him to. 😃 [/QUOTE] _Templeton:_ “How about “Pig Supreme”? “ _Charlotte:_ “No good. It sounds like a rich dessert.” _Templeton:_ “Holy Hanna, that kid’s got a Smith & Wesson Model 500…!” _Charlotte:_ “New plan. I’ll try to write “Call 9-1-1” as fast as I can. Wilbur, duck and weave as best you can. Let’s all just hope that boy learned how to read…” ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/39 "2007-06-06T14:20:44Z")
Am I the only one who had trouble determining which one was the 1000 pound hog and which one was the kid who shot him? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2007, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854/40 "2007-06-06T14:34:23Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] I think it’s also moronic to make references to the child’s size in insulting ways as if that were part of the problem. Of course, this is the Pit and if you wish to insult absent overweight children here, what’s to stop you? I wonder what percentage of the people who read your OP have weight problems. [/QUOTE] For fuck’s sake, does this have to happen in every Pit thread now? **To the pimply bastard who shot my mother** _Why do you mention that he has pimples? That has nothing to do with his crimes and it’s really insensitive to people with skin conditions. Sorry about your mom, by the way._ **I Pit the astigmatic prick who burned my house down, stole my girlfriend and stabbed my dog** _Oh, so now everybody with astigmatism is a dog-stabbing, girlfriend-stealing arsonist? Bigot. :rolleyes:_ Sorry, **Zoe** , I may be exaggerating a little. The kid’s a little chunky, but his real problem is that he [and to a greater degree, his father] is a big fat liar. And if they don’t like me saying that, perhaps the dad can have me shipped to a game range, let his kid shoot me and then tell everybody I was an 18-foot-tall grizzly bear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-all-the-morons-in-the-whole-monster-pig-hogzilla-trainwreck/406854.md?page=3)