# Pitting Bush forStuff That Isn't Worth Its Own Thread, Early 2006 Edition **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 17, 2006, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807 "2006-03-17T20:52:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/41 "2006-03-18T18:31:22Z")
> [@Hentor the Barbarian](#): > > once again White House staffers are misrepresenting themselves as members of the Secret Service, this time after misrepresenting themselves as Fox News personnel. > > You’ll recall the incident in which three people were kicked out of a Bush selected-audience campaign event by people misrepresenting themselves as Secret Service. Unfortunately, as far as I know, the White House never disciplined anyone in that incident. I had once been under the impression that impersonating Secret Service would get you in really deep shit. Guess I was wrong. Or maybe IOKIYAR. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/42 "2006-03-18T19:54:24Z")
> [@Ukulele Ike](#): > > Yeah, like the Iran-Contra Affair, back in the day. We were told, solemnly, that we would NEVER FIND OUT what exactly had been going on. “What th’ fuck,” I remember thinking, “why the hell NOT?” One of my favorites, friend **Uke**. As you may recall, the Reagan papers were due for release a couple years back, the twenty year statute having run its course. There was…considerable interest…in such subjects as Iran-Contra. Then GeeDub slapped a special extension, keeping the papers under lock and key. National security, dontcha know. Those papers will be released when we pry them from his cold hands, or when a Dem sits in the Oval Orifice. I presume, on the basis of experience and prejudice, that those papers reveal things that the Pubbies very much want to keep from us. YMMV, but I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/43 "2006-03-18T20:31:55Z")
I’m crapulent with this Motion for Censure. I’ve been gorging on the possibility that this action places Mr Bush right up there with the likes of Andrew Jackson and Bill Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/44 "2006-03-18T22:09:35Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > I know that you miss **reeder** , but is it really necessary for you to take up the slack so ably? You need to widen your interests, man. It’s getting warm out now, they say tennis is good exercise. Walking is a good stress reliever as well. Sorry to come into this so late. But Doors. You’re complaining about stale schtick? Can you please cite for me the times you’ve actually addressed the content of a post rather than try to undermine the credibility of the poster on a personal level? To most people, this indicates that you _cain’t_ address the actual content. You’re not a stupid person, Doors. But anymore, seems to me, you’re all about ad hominem, like a poor man’s QED. What happened to the old days, when you could actually engage the subject under discussion, without having to resort to misdirections akin to “Yeah, wull, yur stoopet”? We miss the old Doors dude. When come back, bring therapy. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/45 "2006-03-18T22:36:00Z")
That comment was an attempt at a light-hearted jab at someone that I consider to be a friend. I didn’t consider it to be an _ad hominem_. He and I have had discussions about President Bush and the war in person many times, and I consider his opinions to be quite valuable. But he’s been going down this road of late, and I consider it to be a matter of concern. That’s all it was. Really. Now, on to one thing that I disagree with in this thread, a minor thing, really. I take exception to the following: > [@eleanorigby](#): > > I have yet to hear any conservative or Republican apologize for the embarassment that is this administration. I have yet to hear any of them say, boy-I really shouldn’t have voted for him. I doubt I ever will. When people are faced with such huge, horrible things such as this–they tend to go into denial mode. Hell, most of them started in denial mode. What, I don’t count? If I may be so bold, if you start to type and the words all, none, always, or never appear on the screen, unless you are referring to yourself you’re probably wrong. As it is in this case. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/46 "2006-03-18T22:53:58Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > That comment was an attempt at a light-hearted jab at someone that I consider to be a friend. I didn’t consider it to be an _ad hominem_. Nor did I take it as such. We may disagree about a great many things, but it’s never gotten personal. > [@](#): > > But he’s been going down this road of late, and I consider it to be a matter of concern. And I’ll just have to respectfully disagree with your view of things here, for the reasons I’ve already given. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2006, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/47 "2006-03-18T23:40:34Z")
How about this little gem? I’ve been off the Boards a lot recently, so I don’t know if there’s been a thread about it: > [@](#): > > One of the five new appointees to the Presidential Advisory Council on HIV/AIDS is a conservative Baptist minister who advocates a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage, the Washington Blade reported Friday. Herbert Lusk, a former Philadelphia Eagles football star and current pastor of Philadelphia’s Exodus Baptist Church, was named to the presidential AIDS advisory panel, also known as PACHA. Although Lusk has no background in HIV/AIDS policy, he does fit the mould of Bush’s conservative Christian base and faith-based funding agenda. > > . . . Even more dismaying for LGBT activists, however, is Lusk’s leadership role as an adviser to the Alliance for Marriage, a conservative religious organisation that lobbies lawmakers to support a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. . . While other nominees have a background in AIDS or other health issues, it is Lusk’s appointment that is causing observers to shake their heads in disbelief. “This is the President’s version of diversity,” Lynch said. “It’s a contest to see who can hate us more. [Bush] couldn’t possibly distance himself more from the people he’s supposed to serve.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/48 "2006-03-19T00:33:23Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Sadly, I have to agree with this. I have yet to hear any conservative or Republican apologize for the embarassment that is this administration. I have yet to hear any of them say, boy-I really shouldn’t have voted for him. I doubt I ever will. When people are faced with such huge, horrible things such as this–they tend to go into denial mode. Hell, most of them started in denial mode. Just one small editorial change… before denial, they go into attack mode. That;s what happened in Plamegate, that’s what they tried to do with Murtha, that was the underpinning message in Bush’s infamous Veterans Day speech. There are plenty of other examples, but that should be enough. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/49 "2006-03-19T00:45:30Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Just one small editorial change… before denial, they go into attack mode. That;s what happened in Plamegate, that’s what they tried to do with Murtha, that was the underpinning message in Bush’s infamous Veterans Day speech. There are plenty of other examples, **but that should be enough**. Well, you’d think so, wouldn’t you? And yet, as the incidents pile up, all we get is “Aren’t you guys sick of this yet? Don’t you have anything better to do?” Before, when Bush had strong approval ratings, this was thrown in our face as if it somehow invalidated our concerns and our criticisms. Now that his approval ratings have tanked, we’re told we should let it go because he’s lost his “clout” and “credibility.” One wonders exactly what confluence of circumstances would make criticism of the President—of _all_ the wrongdoings of his administration—a legitimate enterprise. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/50 "2006-03-19T00:50:18Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > One wonders exactly what confluence of circumstances would make criticism of the(Bush)—of _all_ the wrongdoings of his administration—a legitimate enterprise. (name inserted by me) a different party occupying the oval office, obviously. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/51 "2006-03-19T01:09:23Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > What, I don’t count? If I may be so bold, if you start to type and the words all, none, always, or never appear on the screen, unless you are referring to yourself you’re probably wrong. As it is in this case. Sure-you count. When did you apologize for voting for Dubya? I am sorry I missed it. I guess that makes one. Who’s next? Now, don’t all crowd at once… I don’t need a tutorial on the use of the words none, never or always, thanks. The day I hear someone like (insert pundit here) state that perhaps the Bush admin was misguided in this or that aspect is the day hell freezes over, for example. The day that his own party stands up to his more extreme BS (and really, the Harriet Maier insanity doesn’t count) is another snow day in hell. IMO, the GOP would rather have a horrifyingly ignorant idealogue in power than any able Dem, because by God, it’s THEIR horrifyingly stupid man in power. Power at any cost. Whoever coined it here: party before country has it exactly right. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/52 "2006-03-19T01:36:37Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > The day I hear someone like (insert pundit here) state that perhaps the Bush admin was misguided in this or that aspect is the day hell freezes over, for example. Maybe you should get out more. Tucker Carlson and William F. Buckley have both recanted their support for the Iraq War. That’s just off the top of my head. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/53 "2006-03-19T01:46:18Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Maybe you should get out more. > > Tucker Carlson and William F. Buckley have both recanted their support for the Iraq War. That’s just off the top of my head. Perhaps it’s not enough. Perhaps nothing less than a full blown, media blitz mea culpa will do for me at this point. YMMV. 🙂 (I also don’t care to listen to that pompous fart Tucker). Is Buckley on TV? I don’t read the National Review. heck, I don’t watch much TV either! ---
**Author:** ![George\_Kaplin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@George\_Kaplin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/George_Kaplin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/54 "2006-03-19T01:53:43Z")
[quote=John Mace] Tucker Carlson and William F. Buckley have both recanted their support for the Iraq War. That’s just off the top of my head. [/quote Forgive me if I’m wrong (and I may well be as I can’t find the article at the moment) but didn’t Buckley’s repudiation of the Iraq mission run something along the lines of “There’s no point trying to civilise these raghead savages. Let’s just cut our losses and get out while we can”? In other words, I don’t remember him actually withdrawing his support for President Bush, not do I remember him recanting earlier statements supporting the initial invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/55 "2006-03-19T02:02:46Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Is Buckley on TV? I don’t read the National Review. heck, I don’t watch much TV either! I had thought Buckley was done. I was surprised while on vacation to find his column in a paper in New Mexico. (Roswell, I think.) He doesn’t seem to have much in common with the Republican Party as it is today, at any rate. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/56 "2006-03-19T02:08:46Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I had thought Buckley was done. I was surprised while on vacation to find his column in a paper in New Mexico. (Roswell, I think.) He doesn’t seem to have much in common with the Republican Party as it is today, at any rate. He’s closer to the libertarian wing of that Party. Tucker is, too. Buckley is stepping down from running the Nat’l Review, but I suspect hell will freeze over (to borrow **eleanor** ’s phrase) before he stops offering up his opinion pieces. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/57 "2006-03-19T02:13:59Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > He’s closer to the libertarian wing of that Party. Tucker is, too. > > Buckley is stepping down from running the Nat’l Review, but I suspect hell will freeze over (to borrow **eleanor** ’s phrase) before he stops offering up his opinion pieces. Isn’t that all he ever did? He’s the pundit’s pundit, IMS. And so arrogant in his leaning back and intoning such wisdom to the hoi polloi… 🙂 Tucker is just a jerk–like Carvel (or however you spell it). Ugh and yuck. Sorry for the tangent. I haven’t watched the news yet today, but I’m sure there is something in it that I could Pit Bush for… ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/58 "2006-03-19T02:39:04Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > I haven’t watched the news yet today, but I’m sure there is something in it that I could Pit Bush for… How about [Straw men?](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060318/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_s_straw_men_1;_ylt=AhT7Veycx6nWVpY12W1pcH4Gw_IE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2ZGZwam4yBHNlYwNmYw--) They’re one of his favorite, and very annoying, ploys. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/59 "2006-03-19T20:59:54Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > And they are still able to make fear work–just invoke the word “terror” and it is surprising how many people cower in a corner and accept all manner of intrusion–these same people who decry the government poking its nose into their business. I always find it amazing how having rights violated is ‘no big deal’ - but man, you suggest further regulations for firearms and suddenly it’s an “over my dead body” situation. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2006, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807/60 "2006-03-19T21:33:33Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I always find it amazing how having rights violated is ‘no big deal’ - but man, you suggest further regulations for firearms and suddenly it’s an “over my dead body” situation. > > -Joe That’s 'cause the only rights that matter are the ones they think most important. Poor kids of color? Foreigners? Who cares? Not important. Ozone depletion? Not as important as having my car cool at all times. Learn about Kwanzaa or Ramadan in school? No way–but let’s all pray and have Christmas parties. Woman’s right to choose? I wouldn’t get myself into that kind of mess–so she doesn’t need that choice. As long as it’s not THEIR privacy that’s being invaded, nobody else matters. Afterall, if you don’t have anything to hide, there’s no reason to object to the intrusion, is there? :rolleyes: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-bush-forstuff-that-isnt-worth-its-own-thread-early-2006-edition/348807.md?page=4)