# Pitting Honeybadger **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183 "2018-03-07T15:40:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/541 "2023-09-23T16:07:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@Cervaise](#): > > > > printed by Samuel French reflecting the original stage production and bought by me before the movie adaptation was produced > > Hold up, _A Few Good Men_ was based on a stageplay? I had no idea! As I remember, the play was Aaron Sorkin’s first big thing and he based it on something his sister experienced as a member of the Judge Advocate General Corps. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/542 "2023-09-23T16:07:16Z")
I mean, I guess one could make the argument that once Rob Reiner became attached to the movie version, he went back in time and encouraged Aaron Sorkin to include that quote in the play so the referential joke would exist in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/543 "2023-09-23T16:11:14Z")
That’s always possible. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/544 "2023-09-23T16:11:33Z")
Trivia note: in the original Broadway production in 1989, Kaffee (Tom Cruise in the movie) was played by Tom Hulce, best known to moviegoers as the title character in _Amadeus,_ and Jessup (the Nicholson character) was played by Stephen Lang, now famous for playing Quaritch in the _Avatar_ movies. It must have been a helluva show. Edit to add: Checking wiki to verify my memory, I see also that Clark Gregg (aka the MCU’s Coulson) was in the show, in the role played by Kevin Bacon in the film. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/545 "2023-09-23T16:19:11Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > …Jessup (the Nicholson character) was played by Stephen Lang, now famous for playing Quaritch in the _Avatar_ movies. It must have been a helluva show. Yes, as much as we associate the speech with Nicholson, I think Lang would have been even better. He has remarkable eyes. I was thinking he would have been a bit too young, but aging someone with makeup is easy. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/546 "2023-09-23T16:22:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > HB’s “hypothesis” that maybe all this extra CO2 is somehow great for life is, while completely lacking in scientific backing, at least kind of creative. But denying the very easily demonstrable (seriously – it can be demonstrated in an elementary school science lab with baking soda, vinegar, and a few other easily obtained supplies) fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that increases the temperature of the Earth is a special kind of hard-headed idiocy. I wish that HB and others that use these talking points could go have a holiday on Venus. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/547 "2023-09-23T16:29:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > HB’s “hypothesis” that maybe all this extra CO2 is somehow great for life is, while completely lacking in scientific backing, at least kind of creative. But denying the very easily demonstrable (seriously – it can be demonstrated in an elementary school science lab with baking soda, vinegar, and a few other easily obtained supplies) fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas that increases the temperature of the Earth is a special kind of hard-headed idiocy Of course I believe that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and has the capacity to raise temperature. The thing is when we have low levels of CO2 which we have had for the past 1,000,000 years raising the levels has more impact than it does as the level come up. For example at one tim levels were up to 155,000 parts per million. almost 400 times more than now. But the greenhouse effect was only about 10 times what it is now. Of course, no life existed at that time. CO2 is the weakest of all greenhouse gasses, but it is the most plentiful behind water vapor. My contention agrees with science that there is a lot w don’t know how to model. My biggest beef is the changes to our lifestyle without solid knowledge to base it on. There is nothing wrong with learning more about something and that is what science is doing right now. We have 10 years or so to increase our knowledge and make better choices. It makes no sense to start raising fuel prices. When the emphasis should be on alternative energy sources. I have suggested we try and establish what optimum co2 levels might look like. I see nothing unreasonable about that. Bill Gates came out yesterday and agreed that the risk is being highly exaggerated. Life started becoming smaller and more intelligent as co2 levels dropped, maybe thats because life was getting harder and more competitive. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/548 "2023-09-23T16:30:02Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > HB’s “hypothesis” that maybe all this extra CO2 is somehow great for life Given that he is now topic banned for climate change, I suppose we should stop discussing that specific aspect of his idiocy? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/549 "2023-09-23T16:30:51Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Of course I believe nobody cares, fuck off ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/550 "2023-09-23T16:36:40Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Given that he is now topic banned for climate change, I suppose we should stop discussing that specific aspect of his idiocy? Too late, he already couldn’t resist to post his usual drivel about the subject. Suspension in 1…2…3… ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/551 "2023-09-23T16:37:16Z")
Yes, he ninjaed me. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/552 "2023-09-23T16:38:22Z")
Well, I guess I will go out with a big fuck you! ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/553 "2023-09-23T16:39:29Z")
Hey, we have a regular suicide by mod here! Nice! Haven’t seen one in a while. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/554 "2023-09-23T16:40:17Z")
Good luck finding another audience for your inane ramblings. Maybe the pigeons in the park? (But do be careful, some parks are frequented by rowdy blacks.) ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/555 "2023-09-23T16:42:55Z")
Don’t you have some sympathy for the poor pigeons? You monster! ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/556 "2023-09-23T16:46:11Z")
**FYI:** @HoneyBadgerDC > [@Draft restatement of SDMB rules 9/12/2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/draft-restatement-of-sdmb-rules-9-12-2023/990013/28): > > > [@Draft restatement of SDMB rules 9/12/2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/draft-restatement-of-sdmb-rules-9-12-2023/990013/4): > > > > Does this mean the Tired Topics rules against e.g. scientific racism, climate change denialism and MRAs applies site-wide now? > > Correct. So, drop the climate change denialism everywhere, even the pit. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/557 "2023-09-23T16:58:45Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > We have 10 years or so to increase our knowledge and make better choices. It makes no sense to start raising fuel prices. When the emphasis should be on alternative energy sources This would be a perfectly sensible POV in 1980. In 2023 not so much. The world is actually burning now. Every year there are record droughts, wildfires, floods, tornadoes etc. There is no time left. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/558 "2023-09-23T17:02:34Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > This would be a perfectly sensible POV in 1980. Wait a minute, hold everything. This makes sense. Not just climate change, but all of HB’s ideas are about 40 years out of date in the worst way. So either they were frozen in the early to the mid-80s in a government plot and thawed out 30 years later to join the board around 2012, or they froze their attitudes towards everything back then and have refused to budge their attitudes since. Quick, get his attitudes towards pop-rock, Michael Jackson, and rocker hair on men, we’ll be able to figure this out! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/559 "2023-09-23T17:04:43Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > CO2 is the weakest of all greenhouse gasses, but it is the most plentiful behind water vapor. My contention agrees with science that there is a lot w don’t know how to model. :sigh: That is why models are not the only thing used to realize that increasing CO2 as you would want is not a good idea. What you ignore is that models are getting better and still come up telling us that your bet only gets snake eyes. > **[Climate change: evidence and causes | Royal Society](https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/basics-of-climate-change/)** > > Supplementary information for the project 'Climate Change: Evidence and causes'. > Taken together, all model projections indicate that Earth will continue to warm considerably more over the next few decades to centuries. If there were no technological or policy changes to reduce emission trends from their current trajectory, then further globally-averaged warming of 2.6 to 4.8 °C (4.7 to 8.6 °F) in addition to that which has already occurred would be expected during the 21st century. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2023, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/560 "2023-09-23T17:05:56Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Given that he is now topic banned for climate change, I suppose we should stop discussing that specific aspect of his idiocy? Why? It’s his topic ban, not ours. He has the right to let us talk about him without responding. The capability, I don’t know. But not my problem. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=29)