# Pitting Honeybadger **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183 "2018-03-07T15:40:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/41 "2018-03-07T18:13:24Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Just the opposite, putting your head in the sand and acting like you don’t see something doesn’t stop you are others from internalizing prejudices. Getting it out in the open and blaming the ones who are doing it helps to make people realize it is somewhat isolated but still common enough to be a big problem which it is. Bad behavior is bad, full stop. But you assigned blame to black people as a whole. Your words: “The blame needs to be aimed at where it is. The blacks need to call out the shitheads and stop making excuses for them.” You blamed “the blacks”. Not the people who have behaved badly, but millions of people, most of whom have done nothing wrong, based on nothing more than skin color. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/42 "2018-03-07T18:16:44Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Perhaps you could give me pointers on how to redouble my efforts to not be ignorant about the history of white supremacism and racism in America. I was suggesting that saying, ‘I’ve not been a racist lo’ these past 35 years and what good has that done?', is probably not the right attitude to espouse. > [@Slash1972](#): > > Did they mention my name at all? The Obamas sent you a personal thank you card but it came back with “No longer at this address”. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/43 "2018-03-07T18:19:35Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I was suggesting that saying, ‘I’ve not been a racist lo’ these past 35 years and what good has that done?', is probably not the right attitude to espouse. Well, it’s a good thing I didn’t say that then. Thanks for letting me know, though. > [@](#): > > The Obamas sent you a personal thank you card but it came back with “No longer at this address”. Dammit! ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/44 "2018-03-07T18:23:42Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > As a citizen I realize I have no control over others We all have control over others. When we say racist things or do racist things or buy into racist things that influence our demeanors, choices, voting, travel, shopping, etc., we are changing the world and making it worse. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/45 "2018-03-07T18:32:06Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > The blacks need to call out the shitheads and stop making excuses for them. > [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > As a citizen I realize I have no control over others … Who wants to play “Spot the Racist Double Standard?” ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/46 "2018-03-07T18:38:05Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > The OP is a racist and has made similar comments over the years whenever he has a chance. > [@BlankSlate](#): > > The OP is a fucking moron who ignores the exact same behavior within his own “culture” that so upsets him about The Blacks. The OP is Biggirl. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/47 "2018-03-07T18:47:50Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > The OP is Biggirl. > > Right? I think they mean Original Protagonist. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/48 "2018-03-07T18:48:55Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > The OP is Biggirl. > > Right? Right. Pitter is being confused with Pittee. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/49 "2018-03-07T18:55:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Who wants to play “Spot the Racist Double Standard?” You mean the blacks _don’t_ all know each other? ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/50 "2018-03-07T18:57:37Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > I think they mean Original Protagonist. I do, sorry for the confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/51 "2018-03-07T19:00:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You mean the blacks _don’t_ all know each other? Well, my kids are still waiting for the directory. ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/52 "2018-03-07T19:08:52Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Well, my kids are still waiting for the directory. Yeah, about that… we’re going to be delayed on printing the directory again, the latest set of changes to the Homosexual Agenda just came in and we’re going to have to retool to handle the special paper. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/53 "2018-03-07T19:32:00Z")
Agree with this pitting. And I ask **HoneyBadgerDC** : If what you say is true. How long has it been true? Have blacks just been their own worst enemy since the Civil War? Since they got the right to vote? Since the invention of rap music? Since they started getting good at (allowed to play) basketball? Did blacks always have bad role models, or did that problem happen at a moment in history. I’d honestly like to know when that was, and if you could describe what that transition looked like. When did black Americans turn their back on American culture and community to follow anti-leaders? ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/54 "2018-03-07T20:01:10Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I agree with you, but the sad truth is fair or not fair that the burden will always be on the one suffering to pull him or her self out of this mess. BULLSHIT. We’re the ones who oppressed black people and we’re the ones who created the stereotypes. How are they supposed to fight against that? It’s up to US white people to pull our heads out of our privileged asses, fix the structural issues, and realize that equality doesn’t oppress us. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/55 "2018-03-07T20:20:54Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > BULLSHIT. We’re the ones who oppressed black people and we’re the ones who created the stereotypes. How are they supposed to fight against that? It’s up to US white people to pull our heads out of our privileged asses, fix the structural issues, and realize that equality doesn’t oppress us. Yep and meanwhile, while you are waiting for this to happen millions of lives continue to live far beneath their potential. I have no doubt your hearts in the right place but it isn’t helping much. And as for stereo types. These stereo types don’t persist without a reason. Recognizing statistics does not make one a racist. It gives us information about where we should be addressing problems. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/56 "2018-03-07T20:23:49Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > These stereo types don’t persist without a reason. Well, this statement of yours is accurate, at least. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/57 "2018-03-07T20:24:45Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > And as for stereo types. These stereo types don’t persist without a reason. Recognizing statistics does not make one a racist. It gives us information about where we should be addressing problems. The reason isn’t statistics. Again, these stereotypes came about long before there were any statistics. They came about at a time in which white men routinely raped black women and brutalized (and even murdered) black men, while the opposite was much, much more rare. Why, then, did the stereotype develop that black men were aggressive and dangerous to white women, when it was white men who were a far, far greater threat to black people then the reverse? The answer is pretty obvious – because these stereotypes were developed in order to control black people and maintain white supremacism. Statistics have never mattered for these stereotypes. Now isn’t suddenly a special magical time… these stereotypes are over a century old. If you’re buying into them, then you’re doing your part to maintain and continue white supremacism. That’s a choice that you don’t have to make. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/58 "2018-03-07T20:25:08Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > IS there anything that white men can do to help alleviate the plight of the American blacks? You can get cops to stop shooting us down in the streets with no provocation. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/59 "2018-03-07T20:25:57Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#): > > You can get cops to stop shooting us down in the streets with no provocation. I would love to do that. Any suggestions on how to go about doing that? ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/60 "2018-03-07T20:30:20Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I would love to do that. Any suggestions on how to go about doing that? Maybe you can tell them. They won’t listen to us. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=4)