# Pitting Honeybadger **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183 "2018-03-07T15:40:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/681 "2023-11-21T07:29:32Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > You are either a troll or you are intensely, spectacularly stupid. Though I suppose “both” is also plausible. To quote someone upthread: > [@Monty](#): > > Functionally, when it comes to questions of a scientific nature, he is no different than a troll. Basically, this thread’s guest of dishonor is the prime example of the symmetric axiom of under the bridge dwelling. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/682 "2023-11-21T10:40:38Z")
[ Bullshit! You like many others on here read the accusations and assume they are true. > [@Cervaise](#): > > No you were not. Discussion means listening and exchange. It means you asked a question and then _shut up and learned._ You don’t do this because you never do this. You ask your obnoxious, ignorant, and/or provocative questions, and then you sit back and ignore the intelligent responses and engage only to ensure the shit keeps getting stirred . When you are not allowed to clarify yourself in a conversation you are talking to trolls. You are one of the trolls my friend. A small group here runs off anyone that doesn’t swallow all your bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/683 "2023-11-21T11:01:24Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Bullshit! You like many others on here read the accusations and assume they are true. Or, read the thread in question, and knows they are true. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/684 "2023-11-21T11:44:27Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > When you are not allowed to clarify yourself in a conversation you are talking to trolls. This is more bullshit from you. The _only_ things you were told you are not allowed to do is threadshitting and spreading your climate science denial bullshit. And you really should hie back to the thread where you pulled a twofer on that and cogitate on what you were really and _gasp_ truly told what you cannot do. Seriously, you are so far from Truth that if someone living in Truth were asked how to get to where you are, the only proper response would be, “You can’t get there from here.” ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/685 "2023-11-21T11:46:26Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Bullshit! You like many others on here read the accusations and assume they are true. I read the thread. Hell, you should know that, i participated a little in the thread. No doubt seminal fluid and spinal fluid are chemically similar. So are snot and lymph and spit. Our whole bodies are mostly water, with the same basic building blocks used over and over. Biologists can tell how stressed whales are by measuring the levels of hormones they shed in their feces. The same hormones you’d find in the seminal fluid, and spinal fluid, and blood, and… And all of our systems are closely related to each other. If any one part goes, the others instantly get wobbly. > [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > the reproductive system was more closely associated with the brain than any other part of our bodies is a dumb claim. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/686 "2023-11-21T12:02:33Z")
#### Sertoli Cells Surrounding all stages of the developing sperm cells are elongate, branching Sertoli cells. Sertoli cells are a type of supporting cell called a sustentacular cell, or sustentocyte, that are typically found in epithelial tissue. Sertoli cells secrete signaling molecules that promote sperm production and can control whether germ cells live or die. They extend physically around the germ cells from the peripheral basement membrane of the seminiferous tubules to the lumen. Tight junctions between these sustentacular cells create the blood–testis barrier, which keeps bloodborne substances from reaching the germ cells and, at the same time, keeps surface antigens on developing germ cells from escaping into the bloodstream and prompting an autoimmune response. This is the same blood barrier present in the rest of the brain and spinal canal. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/687 "2023-11-21T12:14:36Z")
What does that have to do with anything? Just dropping definitions of different types of cells with no explanation isn’t furthering your claim. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/688 "2023-11-21T12:31:34Z")
Please be specific about what claim I am making that you have a problem with, and I will do my best to address it. If we can get past all the bullshit there is a good conversation to be had on this topic. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/689 "2023-11-21T12:49:05Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Please be specific about what claim I am making that you have a problem with, Why did you randomly post a definition of Sertoli Cells? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/690 "2023-11-21T12:56:00Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > If we can get past all the bullshit So you’re leaving then? ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/691 "2023-11-21T13:31:25Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > This is the same blood barrier present in the rest of the brain and spinal canal. I have skin on my foot and also skin on my scalp! Therefore, my foot is the closest thing to my scalp. There are veins in my arm and also in my ear. Therefore, ears and arms are the most closely related. There are nerve cells in my brain and nerve cells in my pinky, therefore Pinky and the Brain! ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/692 "2023-11-21T13:37:22Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I have skin on my foot and also skin on my scalp! Therefore, my foot is the closest thing to my scalp. There are veins in my arm and also in my ear. Therefore, ears and arms are the most closely related. There are nerve cells in my brain and nerve cells in my pinky, therefore Pinky and the Brain! This really is what all your arguments sound like. Except “pinky and the brain” is funny, and suggests the poster is self-aware. To be blunt, it’s obvious you don’t know squat about biology and you are reading random crap and drawing random connections that don’t actually make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/693 "2023-11-21T13:40:35Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > To be blunt, it’s obvious you don’t know squat about biology and you are reading random crap and drawing random connections that don’t actually make any sense. That’s not a nice thing to say to @RitterSport [/D&R] ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/694 "2023-11-21T13:44:10Z")
😆 Sorry, @RitterSport ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/695 "2023-11-21T13:48:29Z")
Haha! ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/696 "2023-11-21T13:49:10Z")
What are we gonna do tonight, Brain? Try and … avoid responding to trollish idiots! ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/697 "2023-11-21T14:04:46Z")
I don’t have any sperm. 😱 ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/698 "2023-11-21T14:10:29Z")
You guys are being too harsh on Honeybadger anyways, he’s just a Preformationist! > **[Preformationism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preformationism)** > > In the history of biology, preformationism (or preformism) is a formerly popular theory that organisms develop from miniature versions of themselves. Instead of assembly from parts, preformationists believed that the form of living things exist, in real terms, prior to their development. Preformationists suggested that all organisms were created at the same time, and that succeeding generations grow from homunculi, or animalcules, that have existed since the beginning of creation, which is typ Ep... [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Preformation.GIF) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Preformation.GIF) ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/699 "2023-11-21T14:34:10Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > > [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > > > the reproductive system was more closely associated with the brain than any other part of our bodies > > is a dumb claim. But unsurprising when made by a dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/700 "2023-11-21T14:38:44Z")
The pit is probably the best place to discuss this. That way you all can tell me how you really feel, and I can do the same. The level at which I was attempting to approach this does not require highly detailed knowledge of biochemistry. I was simply trying to establish a link between behavior, environment and traits we pass on. My first assertion is that the hormones, acids, proteins and other chemicals that are unique to each individual and highly influenced by environmental conditions are present in the reproductive system in more than just a casual way. I believe it is common knowledge that hormones affect the development of various types of tissues. Some of the most obvious expressions of these hormones would be gender and all the physical differences associated with that as well as well as traits such as aggression or shyness. These are obvious things that are easy to recognize. Why would it be outlandish to think that there are also many subtle influences that are also important but harder to identify? Why is it outlandish to think these hormones can affect the behavior of sperm and play a part in the selection process? I was hoping to simply gloss over this entire biological process if I could at least establish there was a possibility here and jump right into the behaviors themselves that might be able to have some influence via brain chemistry on the next generation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=36)