# Pitting Honeybadger **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183 "2018-03-07T15:40:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/81 "2018-03-07T20:56:50Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > Hey, whaddayamean “We”? We, the white people descended from, and as a group substantially benefiting from the racial hierarchy imposed by, the white people who established and maintained the oppressive acts of slavery/Jim Crow/segregation/white nationalism in the first place. > [@B-Rad](#): > > If you want to admit culpability for any oppression then get on down, but leave me out of it. Very convenient: you’ll accept the residual social advantages of white racial privilege while denying that you bear any responsibility for making society more equitable. > [@B-Rad](#): > > Alternatively, you can point me to the place where my middle-class white opinion counts for anything in making adjustments to the political & judicial structures in my community (there ain’t any such place, that was rhetorical). More performed helplessness, also very convenient. > [@B-Rad](#): > > The people who need to pull their heads out of their asses are the ones who think real societal power is based on any color other than green. Nobody’s claiming that wealth and class don’t involve societal power, often to an extent that overwhelms other advantages in practice. But that doesn’t mean that the societal power of race is nonexistent. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/82 "2018-03-07T20:56:51Z")
manson1972, the problem I believe is that people don’t think you genuinely care or want to help. The tone of your posts has turned me off numerous times, as well as other people I assume. I’d like to think it’s a communication problem, because you don’t seem to be a bad guy. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/83 "2018-03-07T20:57:31Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Huh? Who said asking how a white man can help alleviate the plight of American blacks is racist? You asked how you can help. You can help by not being a racist. If you are not a racist, you are helping. Why would you ask a question and then take offense when it is answered honestly? > > I’m beginning to think you may have ulterior motives with this line of questioning. Well great, all I have to do is not be racist? Well gee, my work is done then. It really IS Bud Lite time. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/84 "2018-03-07T20:58:10Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I wasn’t aware that asking people how a white man can help alleviate the plight of the American black is considered racist. When you do it by claiming to sincerely want to help them become more white, then guess what, pal? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/85 "2018-03-07T20:58:42Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > manson1972, the problem I believe is that people don’t think you genuinely care or want to help. The tone of your posts has turned me off numerous times, as well as other people I assume. I’d like to think it’s a communication problem, because you don’t seem to be a bad guy. I’m not seeing any negative tone in this: “I would love to do that. Any suggestions on how to go about doing that?” Perhaps you’d like to point it out? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/86 "2018-03-07T20:59:43Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > When you do it by claiming to sincerely want to help them become more white, then guess what, pal? Who wants to do that? ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/87 "2018-03-07T20:59:50Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Until the stereo typical image of the American black has been squashed things will never be fair. He then goes on to stereotype African Americans for the entire post. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/6bbea6/32.png) [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Living_Well_Is_Best_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/88 "2018-03-07T21:02:00Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I’m not seeing any negative tone in this: > > “I would love to do that. Any suggestions on how to go about doing that?” > > Perhaps you’d like to point it out? There is a just a feeling of disingenuousness to a lot of your posts. Does anyone know what I am talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/89 "2018-03-07T21:02:13Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Wow, you really told me! :rolleyes: > > … Someone would have sooner or later, so the roll eyes is unnecessary. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/90 "2018-03-07T21:04:05Z")
Sorry **Biggirl** , to participate in this slight hijack of your thread, but you can’t let a fly escape swatting. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/91 "2018-03-07T21:04:41Z")
Only assholes say “just saying.” Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/92 "2018-03-07T21:08:38Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > When you do it by claiming to sincerely want to help them become more white, then guess what, pal? Yeup. Enjoy your shitty beer! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/93 "2018-03-07T21:09:31Z")
> [@Living\_Well\_Is\_Best\_Revenge](#): > > There is a just a feeling of disingenuousness to a lot of your posts. Does anyone know what I am talking about? None that _I’ve_ noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/94 "2018-03-07T21:09:53Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Yeup. Enjoy your shitty beer! Thanks, I will! Also, turns out there is a ToolKit for White People right on the BLM website. Some of you BLM activists might have mentioned that in the first place! ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/95 "2018-03-07T21:11:54Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > … the sad truth is fair or not fair that the burden will always be on the one suffering to pull him or her self out of this mess. That is both a lie and an excuse to not care about the one suffering. If it’s the other persons’ burden to pull himself out of the mess, and they doesn’t pull themselves out of it, than you don’t have to feel guilty about their suffering. I told myself the same thing when I felt guilty about all bad things I did to people who owed money for cocaine debts. After all, they got themselves into that mess, and they didn’t get themselves out, so I convinced myself that the horrible things I did to them where their fault, not mine. It took me a long time to realize how wrong I was back then. I hope you do better. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/96 "2018-03-07T21:13:40Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Thanks, I will! > > Also, turns out there is a ToolKit for White People right on the BLM website. Some of you BLM activists might have mentioned that in the first place! Probably wasn’t mentioned because this is not a thread about how to make manson1972 not a racist but on how HoneyBadger is a racist. But you go on now. You’ve got the tools. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/97 "2018-03-07T21:17:09Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > We, the white people descended from, and as a group substantially benefiting from the racial hierarchy imposed by, the white people who established and maintained the oppressive acts of slavery/Jim Crow/segregation/white nationalism in the first place. No need to condescend, I am VERY aware of what my ancestors perpetrated, and what even my parents championed. Holding the young accountable for the transgressions of their elders is stone age and unjust. Injustice alienates. Stop it. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Very convenient: you’ll accept the residual social advantages of white racial privilege while denying that you bear any responsibility for making society more equitable. So by this logic I should go out and find a Black family whom I deem to be less fortunate than myself and surrender my possessions, my career, ALL my copious social influence, my ill-gotten gains? I didn’t get what I have by knowing The Secret White Handshake developed by my ancestors. I got it despite being a complete and total buffoon in my youth, doing a little introspection and self-correction, and significantly changing how I relate to the world in order to get what I need. > [@Kimstu](#): > > More performed helplessness, also very convenient. This phrase is performed, divisive, and useless. Further, it is simply untrue and suggestive of a nonexistent hivemind in which everyone knows what you know, and experiences what you experience. I can’t decide if that makes you delusional or just immature. Maybe there’s a third meaning for which I am sure you will gleefully excoriate my not knowing. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Nobody’s claiming that wealth and class don’t involve societal power, often to an extent that overwhelms other advantages in practice. But that doesn’t mean that the societal power of race is nonexistent. I never said the societal power of one’s race is nonexistent, I’m just saying to the extent I feel I have any of it, I don’t use it and I find it deeply discouraging to have to face the accusation. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/98 "2018-03-07T21:18:31Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Probably wasn’t mentioned because this is not a thread about how to make manson1972 not a racist but on how HoneyBadger is a racist. But you go on now. You’ve got the tools. Meh. Threads of “So and so is a racist” where the typical people show up to agree are boring. But you can have fun with that if you want. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/99 "2018-03-07T21:19:43Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Meh. Threads of “So and so is a racist” where the typical people show up to agree are boring. But you can have fun with that if you want. He’s just trying to save you from boredom, Biggirl! DO YOU HAVE NO APPRECIATION OF HIS GIFT TO YOU? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 7, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/100 "2018-03-07T21:29:28Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Meh. Threads of “So and so is a racist” where the typical people show up to agree are boring. But you can have fun with that if you want. Seriously, you’d be far better off just sitting here with your ears open and your mouth shut. Just saying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=6)