# Pitting Honeybadger **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 7, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183 "2018-03-07T15:40:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/161 "2018-03-08T22:48:17Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > It’s been my observation, that the lives of the woman and the children are drastically improved, once the drunk abusive lazy “daddy” is told “either you disappear or we’ll MAKE you disappear”. It’s been my observation that threatening abusive people only improves your chances of being the victim of an assault or a homicide. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/162 "2018-03-08T23:05:59Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Yes, imagine a decent God-fearing American town like The Angels or Saint Francis being overwhelmed by hordes of immigrants looking to make a quick buck, and being forced to change its culture and even language. I mean, you do know that California was FUCKING MEXICAN before it was FUCKING ANNEXED by the United States, right? For all of 27 years. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/163 "2018-03-08T23:42:47Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I object to that as much as the resident do, what has that got to do with me complaining about illegal dumping. Are you saying that the white man dumped hazardous material in a Latino neighborhood so it is ok for Latinos to dump waste in white neighborhoods?? Illegal dumping is illegal regardless of who the hell is doing it, no connection to the topic. **HB** : I hate cultures that dump their shit illegally. **Pf** : You mean like white culture? {cites egregious example} **HB** , moving goalposts frantically: no, when _white_ people dump shit it’s because it’s a few thoughtless individuals; when _brown_ people do it, it’s because they’re feckless and dirty. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/164 "2018-03-08T23:58:15Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I am not calling it out as being so wrong and offensive as much as I am calling it out as being detrimental to an already challenging life scenario they are facing. They need every advantage they can get and there best strategy is to find their way into the mainstream. I acknowledged earlier that it wasn’t really fair but I don’t feel fair is something we have a lot of control over. Once a group successfully integrates things get fairer but as a group it takes a little extra effort. They don’t need “advantage” they need equality. It’s not up to them to “integrate”, it’s up to white people to recognize the institutional racism WE’VE perpetrated and _fix_ it. And to whatever dumbass said that black people now don’t suffer because of slavery, this is just one example: Capital punishment in this country can be pretty convincingly traced to lynchings of slaves and random black people. Shall we discuss mass incarceration now? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/165 "2018-03-09T00:18:12Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > This past decade I feel like I have been noticing more open hostility toward whites by blacks. Just when we start getting our side of the street cleaned up the other side starts getting messy. Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/166 "2018-03-09T04:30:01Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I can’t answer that and I don’t think it has been the same in all parts of the country. I know white attitudes have been steadily improving since the 1960’s even in the deep south I have seen a huge improvement. This past decade I feel like I have been noticing more open hostility toward whites by blacks. Just when we start getting our side of the street cleaned up the other side starts getting messy. i am talking about a significant portion of the population but no where near the majority. I will try to help you out. White attitudes about black behavior have NEVER tracked with actual black behavior. Ever. Virtually every sterotype was invented as a means to control the conduct of slaves/freedment and continued from there. As with any population you can find individuals that match the type, and if those are the ones you choose to see to the exclusion of all others, you can maintain your woldview and do as you like. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/167 "2018-03-09T07:48:22Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Seriously? I think he meant to say wrong side of the tracks, but thought that might just be a bit too much. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/168 "2018-03-09T08:54:07Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > This past decade I feel like I have been noticing more open hostility toward whites by blacks. And I feel you’re a cowardly jackass racist shitbag. Show me on the doll where the bad black man touched you. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/169 "2018-03-09T13:28:38Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I can’t answer that and I don’t think it has been the same in all parts of the country. I know white attitudes have been steadily improving since the 1960’s even in the deep south I have seen a huge improvement. This past decade I feel like I have been noticing more open hostility toward whites by blacks. Just when we start getting our side of the street cleaned up the other side starts getting messy. i am talking about a significant portion of the population but no where near the majority. So often, I think that people who are really afraid to confront their own prejudices try to take credit for the improvements made by those who aren’t too afraid. If attitudes are getting better, it’s not because of thinking like yours. You haven’t cleaned up your side of the street. You are sitting in a lawn chair in a pile of litter pointing over at your neighbors and demanding they do something. Listen, we all have biases. If you read that and recoil, or if you want to yell at me for saying it, I bet people in this thread can provide lots of interesting reading. We all have biases. If we want to approach the world fairly, to approach people fairly, we need to confront those biases. We need to challenge our world views, even if that makes us uncomfortable or makes us realize we’ve been a jerkface. And this isn’t to say you can’t hate when a person does something. But when a black person does something, she isn’t her whole race. You know this when it comes to white people. You know white people are individuals. But I don’t think you really get that about people of other races. You want to use cognitive shorthand and, well, much of our cognitive shorthand is really fucking racist. If I don’t say this to you, or you don’t read it, or you ignore it, it’s still true. I’m not creating your biases by speaking of them. You wouldn’t be creating your biases by investigating them. We can think about our thinking and we can challenge it every day. We don’t need to act on instinct and we don’t need to defend a lack of intellectual effort. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/170 "2018-03-09T14:00:41Z")
> [@wonky](#): > > So often, I think that people who are really afraid to confront their own prejudices try to take credit for the improvements made by those who aren’t too afraid. > > If attitudes are getting better, it’s not because of thinking like yours. You haven’t cleaned up your side of the street. You are sitting in a lawn chair in a pile of litter pointing over at your neighbors and demanding they do something. > > Listen, we all have biases. If you read that and recoil, or if you want to yell at me for saying it, I bet people in this thread can provide lots of interesting reading. We all have biases. If we want to approach the world fairly, to approach people fairly, we need to confront those biases. We need to challenge our world views, even if that makes us uncomfortable or makes us realize we’ve been a jerkface. > > And this isn’t to say you can’t hate when a person does something. But when a black person does something, she isn’t her whole race. You know this when it comes to white people. You know white people are individuals. But I don’t think you really get that about people of other races. You want to use cognitive shorthand and, well, much of our cognitive shorthand is really fucking racist. > > If I don’t say this to you, or you don’t read it, or you ignore it, it’s still true. I’m not creating your biases by speaking of them. You wouldn’t be creating your biases by investigating them. We can think about our thinking and we can challenge it every day. We don’t need to act on instinct and we don’t need to defend a lack of intellectual effort. I am hardly sitting in a lawn chair, I have spent the past 28 years doing volunteer work with ex cons and addicts of all races. When I had my business for 10 years I went out of my way to support local black run businesses and start ups as well as hiring black employees in a snow white commercial complex. I put up with a lot of racist customers comments and even some lost accounts over this. I also went out of my way to employ and nurture black employees throughout my decades of running diesel repair shops. So I have and continue to be in the trenches on this issue because I believe in equality. I just get very angry at that 20 percent or whatever it is that continues to reinforce negative stereo types and the people that make excuses for them. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/171 "2018-03-09T14:07:33Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I am hardly sitting in a lawn chair, I have spent the past 28 years doing volunteer work with ex cons and addicts of all races. When I had my business for 10 years I went out of my way to support local black run businesses and start ups as well as hiring black employees in a snow white commercial complex. I put up with a lot of racist customers comments and even some lost accounts over this. I also went out of my way to employ and nurture black employees throughout my decades of running diesel repair shops. So I have and continue to be in the trenches on this issue because I believe in equality. I just get very angry at that 20 percent or whatever it is that continues to reinforce negative stereo types and the people that make excuses for them. Why do you make excuses for the people who have and cherish those negative stereotypes? Why do you make excuses for your own use of them? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/172 "2018-03-09T14:15:58Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > I am hardly sitting in a lawn chair, I have spent the past 28 years doing volunteer work with ex cons and addicts of all races. When I had my business for 10 years I went out of my way to support local black run businesses and start ups as well as hiring black employees in a snow white commercial complex. I put up with a lot of racist customers comments and even some lost accounts over this. I also went out of my way to employ and nurture black employees throughout my decades of running diesel repair shops. So I have and continue to be in the trenches on this issue because I believe in equality. I just get very angry at that 20 percent or whatever it is that continues to reinforce negative stereo types and the people that make excuses for them. Part of what reinforces stereotypes is attitudes like yours. You’re not hateful, but you’re still lumping together all the bad behavior by any black person as if it reflects on the whole race, but not doing so for white people. You shouldn’t do that for anyone. A black person behaving poorly says no more about black people as a group than a white person behaving badly does about white people as a group. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/173 "2018-03-09T14:25:11Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Part of what reinforces stereotypes is attitudes like yours. You’re not hateful, but you’re still lumping together all the bad behavior by any black person as if it reflects on the whole race, but not doing so for white people. You shouldn’t do that for anyone. A black person behaving poorly says no more about black people as a group than a white person behaving badly does about white people as a group. You are not making one distinction. I am lumping them together only to the extent that I am looking for a best outcome strategy. I believe that good outcomes are self reinforcing. I would love to see things always be fair but it doesn’t appear that will ever be a driving force. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/174 "2018-03-09T14:29:05Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > You are not making one distinction. I am lumping them together only to the extent that I am looking for a best outcome strategy. I believe that good outcomes are self reinforcing. I would love to see things always be fair but it doesn’t appear that will ever be a driving force. You are making things less fair. You are doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/175 "2018-03-09T15:03:00Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > You are not making one distinction. I am lumping **them** together only … . emph. mine. Don’t you see what you’re doing? Lumping “THEM” together? Because “them” is different than “us?” Using words like “you people” and “them” while describing other ethnic groups makes any point you may be about to make far less valid. It’s like you’re standing on the outside looking at “them” on the inside. Think about this. Then you say; “I would love to see things always be fair but it doesn’t appear that will ever be a driving force.” You know, I believe you really do, but that will never happen until everyone start thinking “one society, one goal.” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/176 "2018-03-10T02:17:50Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > So, according to you [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=850594), I can finally hang out in mixed company having learned the way to comport myself after generations of being, well, too black. It only took a president and some athletes to show me how to act more like a white person. > > I wonder how many will come in here and claim that calling this bullshit racist is going too far. Especially since he can’t be a racist since he’s dated quite a few blacks (although, heaven forbid, not AMERICAN blacks). > > No, your head isn’t in the sand, it is wedged far up your tightly puckered white anus. Because it isn’t racist AT ALL to claim black people don’t act right unless they act the way you think is correct. Thanks for the advice on how to succeed. That was mighty white of you. I don’t think he cares. [😉](http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/honey-badger) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/177 "2018-03-10T03:04:00Z")
My city has a Little Sweden neighborhood. It’s a crack-ridden hellhole. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/178 "2018-03-10T03:36:30Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I’m so confused. Why are racists so fixated on the bad blacks, when it is obvious to me that bad whites are the ones who are fucking this country up right now. > > [Get your own fucking house in order before you start talking about mine.](https://thedailymisanthropy.wordpress.com/2017/08/06/behold-the-master-race-again/) Since it’s the Pit, can I be sizeist? The ones in the “will rise again” pic made me think “not without help they won’t”. > [@madsircool](#): > > For all of 27 years. I am reasonably sure that the Independence of Mexico didn’t change the language or the laws as much as the Blue Boys did. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/179 "2018-03-10T11:56:21Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > You are not making one distinction. I am lumping them together only to the extent that I am looking for a best outcome strategy. I believe that good outcomes are self reinforcing. I would love to see things always be fair but it doesn’t appear that will ever be a driving force. **HBDC** - - You offer up what you are seeing, and your explanation for it. - Others, many of them African American, are sharing MANY other perspectives for how to regard the situation. - You stand firm on your POV based on the fact that you are a Practical Realist and just calling out the Truth about the hard choices that people of color have to make. You have not listened. You have not sought connection and common ground. You have sought to portray yourself as Correct and sympathetic to the fact that others can’t see things as plainly as you. Can you see how you come across as a closed-minded insufferable white guy who is ‘splaining to people who have lived their own version of that reality and gained different POVs? What makes you Correct-er than anyone else? Is there anything you should be learning from this? ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183/180 "2018-03-11T15:23:34Z")
Hmm, I didn’t mean to kill your perfectly cromulent Pitting, **Biggirl**. Sorry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-honeybadger/810183.md?page=10)