# Pitting iiandyiiii **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781 "2016-07-24T16:14:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/221 "2016-07-29T20:34:40Z")
Salted? More to it than that, and if you don’t know, you’re just as well off. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/222 "2016-07-29T20:53:56Z")
I know but it doesn’t really flow to say ‘All Hail the Cod Soaked in Lye’. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/223 "2016-07-29T21:11:54Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > . . . if you hold it at a 75-degree angle and cross your eyes to juuust the right amount when looking at it. > [@gnoitall](#): > > THERE! The LOOMING SPECTRE of RADICAL PROTESTANT TERRORISM! . . . Just exactly like those three-dimensional art posters! > [@Chimera](#): > > [How could you possibly object?](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qPe2-Karjls/TxPuMHjpHJI/AAAAAAAAEdw/vMF04YS50Xk/s1600/Beautiful+Trilby+Women+Hats+%25281%2529.jpg) Holy mother of Saint Jerome, that is a pretty picture! The fashion statement works very well indeed! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/224 "2016-07-29T23:06:12Z")
> [@BorgHunter](#): > > I’m curious, **DerekMichaels00**. Do you believe a Sikh man wearing a turban or a Jewish man wearing a yarmulke are equally unintegrated? Do you find these three choices in headgear equally upsetting? Well, at least two people (one Sikh; one Hindu) in the US have been killed by others who have similar sentiments about “outsiders” as DM. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/225 "2016-07-30T00:22:55Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > I bet if the same women wore a nice homburg, or trilby, or bowler, or porkpie, or Abraham Lincoln style stovepipe, conservatives would object to that, too. I don’t know about other people but I strongly and extremely object to women wearing head coverings of any kind. As we all know a woman’s only value is her looks. It’s Gods’ gift to them. So wearing something that would mess up their hair and thus their beauty is an affront to God. Why would you want to blaspheme against your loving Creator? ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/226 "2016-07-30T00:28:37Z")
Drunky, don’t you realize women’s hair is seductive and leads wayward the minds and hearts of men? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/227 "2016-07-30T02:08:59Z")
“A woman’s only value is her looks.” What really makes me sad here is that I can’t tell if he’s joking or not. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/228 "2016-07-30T08:10:52Z")
Yeah, that happens a lot with **Drunky**. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/229 "2016-07-30T12:41:45Z")
That’s the thing with **Drunky** - he’s got layers, like a B52 shot. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/230 "2016-07-30T13:55:30Z")
What about their cooking and laundering abilities? ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/231 "2016-07-30T14:17:57Z")
I found the speech compelling, but the image of a man lecturing on the Constitutional principles of equality with his wife next to him wearing a hijab is not entirely convincing. That being said, his son sacrificed his life for this country and is ten times the man Donald Trump could ever be. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/232 "2016-07-30T14:27:53Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I found the speech compelling, but the image of a man lecturing on the Constitutional principles of equality with his wife next to him wearing a hijab is not entirely convincing. What about the hijab makes his wife less equal with respect to the constitution? > [@Stringbean](#): > > That being said, his son sacrificed his life for this country and is ten times the man Donald Trump could ever be. For sure. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/233 "2016-07-30T14:32:36Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I found the speech compelling, but the image of a man lecturing on the Constitutional principles of equality with his wife next to him wearing a hijab is not entirely convincing. > > That being said, his son sacrificed his life for this country and is ten times the man Donald Trump could ever be. Given your comment about the son’s parents, the son is a thousand times the human you could ever dream of being. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/234 "2016-07-30T15:13:49Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I found the speech compelling, but the image of a man lecturing on the Constitutional principles of equality with his wife next to him wearing a hijab is not entirely convincing. > > That being said, his son sacrificed his life for this country and is ten times the man Donald Trump could ever be. Ding ding ding!! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/235 "2016-07-30T15:29:29Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Ding ding ding!! Quit shaking your head. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/236 "2016-07-30T15:59:25Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > What about the hijab makes his wife less equal with respect to the constitution? Don’t you remember the 1st Amendment? \*Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Unless a woman wants to wear one of those hibi-jabbi things. That’s right out. \* ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/237 "2016-07-30T16:23:34Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > What about the hijab makes his wife less equal with respect to the constitution? It doesn’t with respect to freedom of expression. It does, I would argue, with respect to the traditional subordinacy of women in many Islamic cultures, which carries on to this day. Arguing for a progressive interpretation of Constitutional equality does not quite hit the mark when your wife is standing next to you wearing a hijab, a symbol of centuries of paternal oppression. Symbols matter. If the Confederate flag is a historical symbol of the oppression of African-Americans, the hijab can rightly be interpreted as a historical symbol of the subordination of women. I would be uncomfortable with it, were I a progressive woman. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/238 "2016-07-30T16:27:49Z")
Yes, God forbid a woman should make a decision with her freedoms you don’t like. How do you know she doesn’t insist on wearing that hijab? Khan said in an interview yesterday that his wife was standing there because she is his strength, that he is the weak one, and that he needed her there to bolster him to stand up there and speak to the venue. If you saw an elderly Catholic woman enter a church for Mass with a lace handkerchief over her head, like many, many Catholic women did up until about 30 or 40 years ago, would you say that she was being forced to do that? Or would you allow that it was her decision to do so because it’s what she thinks is proper for Mass attire? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/239 "2016-07-30T16:53:37Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > I would be uncomfortable with it, were I a progressive woman. Since you believe people should change their behavior if it makes me uncomfortable, I’m counting on you to stop being a jackass sometime soon. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/240 "2016-07-30T17:43:42Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > It doesn’t with respect to freedom of expression. It does, I would argue, with respect to the traditional subordinacy of women in many Islamic cultures, which carries on to this day. Arguing for a progressive interpretation of Constitutional equality does not quite hit the mark when your wife is standing next to you wearing a hijab, a symbol of centuries of paternal oppression. > > Symbols matter. If the Confederate flag is a historical symbol of the oppression of African-Americans, the hijab can rightly be interpreted as a historical symbol of the subordination of women. I would be uncomfortable with it, were I a progressive woman. An important difference is that while the constitution protects religious freedom and expression, it does not protect oppression based on race. To the extent that a hijab is a religious symbol, much like a Sikh turban, we cannot put it in the same category as a Confederate flag. That said, [progressive muslims do make a case against the custom of women wearing hijabs](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/12/21/as-muslim-women-we-actually-ask-you-not-to-wear-the-hijab-in-the-name-of-interfaith-solidarity/). So things appear to be changing on that front. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781.md?page=13)