# Pitting iiandyiiii **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781 "2016-07-24T16:14:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/281 "2016-08-01T19:15:34Z")
It strikes me as funny that Muslims rarely seem to acknowledge Western liberal tolerance for their lifestyle. If they do, they see such efforts as condescending. Can’t please everybody. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/282 "2016-08-01T20:10:24Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > It strikes me as funny that Muslims rarely seem to acknowledge Western liberal tolerance for their lifestyle. :dubious: You rarely having any information about what Muslims actually say is not really the same thing as Muslims rarely saying it. > [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > If they do, they see such efforts as condescending. Well, if you’re treating liberal tolerance as some kind of special concession that “Westerners” are generously making to Muslims, rather than as an unremarkable necessary consequence of the freedom of religion that our civil-libertarian principles require for **all** religions, then that _is_ kind of condescending. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/283 "2016-08-01T20:17:42Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > It strikes me as funny that Muslims rarely seem to acknowledge Western liberal tolerance for their lifestyle. If they do, they see such efforts as condescending. Can’t please everybody. What “tolerance” for what “lifestyle”? They eat and drink and sleep… They get married and raise their children. They go to school to get educations and then get jobs to support themselves. They worship on Friday instead of Sunday or Saturday, but that hardly seems to be a serious issue. They do fast during daylight hour of Ramadan, but they do not impose their fasting on neighbors or co-workers. What part of their “lifestyle” are we supposed to “tolerate”? Where did this question come from? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/284 "2016-08-01T22:13:36Z")
They gave us algebra. Reason enough not to trust them. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/285 "2016-08-03T13:16:41Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Yes, if you go by Scripture. > > 1 Corinthians 11:2-5 ESV: > Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. > > And, in case you think I’m taking that out of context, go ahead and read [the rest of the section](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2011&version=ESV#en-ESV-28586). (The literalist excuse is that it’s no longer a disgrace for a woman to cut her hair, so the section doesn’t apply.) … [snip] Thank you for this … Mennonites, Amish, True Inspirationalists, Rastafarians … The principle involved is that it is a sin to dress up sexy and promote thoughts of adultery thus leading others into temptation. This goes along with modesty of clothing, not wearing the garb of the other sex and several other provisions in The Bible. Let’s imagine **iiiandyiiii** in a little black dress, thong knickers, plunging neckline, 3" hoop earrings, barn doors painted up nice. He’s going to attracted a lot of attention, and maybe not the best type. He’s going to have all kinds of people hanging on him, telling him sweet lies. TV tells us we should. To see him walking down the street many of us won’t be thinking of the righteousness of the God of Abraham, rather our meditation will be to serve the god of Darwin (“fuck him and forget him”). Now let’s take The Melania and put her in a long old-fashioned dress, bundle her hair up in a tight bun with a full headscarf, no make-up or jewelry … now she looks like a Plain Jane. Makes speaking to her face much easier, rather than speaking to her breasts. We’re here to manifest the Spirit of Christ, and with one and only one are we to be making babies. Please … **iiiandyiiii** … shave your legs will ya? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/286 "2016-08-03T13:53:08Z")
😕 Maybe reconsider drinking this much this early in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/287 "2016-08-03T14:56:21Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > What part of their “lifestyle” are we supposed to “tolerate”? Where did this question come from? Judging from just this thread, there was a lot of discussion about head wear, which is not a typical style of Westerners. Note I said “typical.” Yes, your aunt June always wears a head wrap to cover her curlers, but not every Western woman does that. It’s optional rather than mandatory among non-Muslims. If you recall, [France actually banned veils in schools](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in_France), which after all was said and done, only affected [about 800 students](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in_France#Practical_consequences). That’s why I used the term “tolerance” as opposed to “acceptance,” as it didn’t apply to Muslim women outside of schools. France went on to ban [full facial coverings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in_France#Banning_of_full_face_covering_in_public), but clarified the law applied to all regardless of religion or gender. Again, “tolerance” because there’s no state of complete acceptance. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/288 "2016-08-03T17:48:49Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Judging from just this thread, there was a lot of discussion about head wear, which is not a typical style of Westerners. Note I said “typical.” Yes, your aunt June always wears a head wrap to cover her curlers, but not every Western woman does that. It’s optional rather than mandatory among non-Muslims. > > If you recall, [France actually banned veils in schools](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in_France), which after all was said and done, only affected [about 800 students](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in_France#Practical_consequences). That’s why I used the term “tolerance” as opposed to “acceptance,” as it didn’t apply to Muslim women outside of schools. France went on to ban [full facial coverings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in_France#Banning_of_full_face_covering_in_public), but clarified the law applied to all regardless of religion or gender. Again, “tolerance” because there’s no state of complete acceptance. So the tolerance for their lifestyle is simply the outlawing of some head coverings? Good toleration, that. ---
**Author:** ![Whiskey\_Dickens](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9fc348/32.png) [@Whiskey\_Dickens](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whiskey_Dickens)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/289 "2016-08-04T18:24:26Z")
Good old **Ramira**! Curing us dumb Westerners of our stereotypes of Muslims as angry, judgmental, and sectarian, by being, uhhh. Nevermind! ---
**Author:** ![Memnon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f1d935/32.png) [@Memnon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Memnon)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/290 "2016-08-04T19:46:48Z")
> [@Whiskey\_Dickens](#): > > Good old **Ramira**! Curing us dumb Westerners of our stereotypes of Muslims as angry, judgmental, and sectarian, by being, uhhh. > > Nevermind! Hilarious, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/291 "2016-08-05T08:42:11Z")
> [@Tithonus](#): > > Hilarious, isn’t it? Not nearly as funny as the whole obsession with headscarves in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/292 "2016-08-05T10:40:17Z")
> [@Whiskey\_Dickens](#): > > Good old **Ramira**! Curing us dumb Westerners of our stereotypes of Muslims as angry, judgmental, and sectarian, by being, uhhh. […wait, I know this one…] …Uppity! […no, wrong minority…] …Flaming! […no, still wrong minority…] …a Harpy! […no, dammit, _still_ the wrong oppressed group. Give me a sec…] . ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2016, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/293 "2016-08-05T13:30:16Z")
> [@Whiskey\_Dickens](#): > > Good old **Ramira**! Curing us dumb Westerners of our stereotypes of Muslims as angry, judgmental, and sectarian, by being, uhhh. > > Nevermind! It’s weird how I don’t have a stereotype of Muslims as angry, judgmental, and sectarian. I have a pretty strong impression of you as dumb, though, so your OPS isn’t quite 0.000. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781.md?page=14)