# Pitting iiandyiiii **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781 "2016-07-24T16:14:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/61 "2016-07-24T21:36:01Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I’m so happy that the schadenfreudic glee I felt on seeing the title and originator of this thread was fulfilled. Yeah, **DM-double-zero** doesn’t understand rule number one of the Pit: Never Pit anyone better-liked and/or smarter than you are. Unfortunately for him, that doesn’t leave him any targets. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/62 "2016-07-24T22:23:22Z")
**iiandyiiii** is once again hated on for feeding (or having dogged patience with) a troll… …but said hate is coming from the troll himself[?!?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcoly2i-3M) 😕 ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/63 "2016-07-24T23:11:21Z")
**DerekMichaels00** , you started a pit thread, but haven’t come back to follow through or defend yourself. You’re quite the gutless pussy coward, aren’t you? I understand that you’re young…16 or 17? Maybe you should stay in your mommy’s basement for a while longer. And stay off of her computer. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/64 "2016-07-25T00:44:32Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Finally something I can get behind. He’d be the first victim of friendly fire while still in basic training. > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > He also is one of those who always defends Islam, but never any other religion. Perhaps because other religions aren’t quite as maligned in America as Islam. \ ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/65 "2016-07-25T01:00:20Z")
Is that the Derek Michaels issue? He’s young? I couldn’t quite figure it out - trolling, paid shill, mild to moderately retarded, or what. Young, okay, good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/66 "2016-07-25T01:16:23Z")
So how do you think an OP like DM00 reacts to something like this? Do you think he would take anything on board? Pretend the thread never happened and excise its memory from his brain? Reach the conclusion this entire board community is mind controlled by, eh, someone and so have reached a negative illogical groupthink position about him with no basis? I’m going for number three. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/67 "2016-07-25T01:24:24Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Perhaps because other religions aren’t quite as maligned in America as Islam. but Islam is the most commonly cited religion used by terrorists to attack America here and abroad. Also, all countries which execute gays are Muslim countries, and a majority of Muslim countries criminalize LGBT people while a majority of non-Muslim countries don’t, and most Muslim countries have oppressive societies and laws for women, like requiring hijab/burka, allowing honor killings, etc. Not that other countries are perfect, but this stuff is most widespread, intense, and institutionalized in Muslim societies. Even in America, 43% of Muslim-American women wear hijab/burka according to Pew; that’s far higher than event exists Orthodox Jews as as percentage of American Jews overall (only 10% of US Jews are Orthodox of any sort, 6% Hasidic with their weird dress), Hindus and other religions in America don’t wear traditional dress as much as Muslims here. What happened to the secularism progressives are supposed to like? What happened to the human rights they’re supposed to care about, both here and abroad? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/68 "2016-07-25T01:33:18Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > but Islam is the most commonly cited religion used by terrorists to attack America here and abroad. Also, all countries which execute gays are Muslim countries, and a majority of Muslim countries criminalize LGBT people while a majority of non-Muslim countries don’t, and most Muslim countries have oppressive societies and laws for women, like requiring hijab/burka, allowing honor killings, etc. Not that other countries are perfect, but this stuff is most widespread, intense, and institutionalized in Muslim societies. Even in America, 43% of Muslim-American women wear hijab/burka according to Pew; that’s far higher than event exists Orthodox Jews as as percentage of American Jews overall (only 10% of US Jews are Orthodox of any sort, 6% Hasidic with their weird dress), Hindus and other religions in America don’t wear traditional dress as much as Muslims here. > > What happened to the secularism progressives are supposed to like? What happened to the human rights they’re supposed to care about, both here and abroad? There are still there you numbnuts . You are just a dolt if you can not see that criticizing that (and I do for many of the items you point at) does not automatically mean that you were correct about terrorists = Muslim’s. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/69 "2016-07-25T01:34:23Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > What happened to the secularism progressives are supposed to like? What happened to the human rights they’re supposed to care about, both here and abroad? You are a creepy, short-sighted, ridiculous, stupid, lying, pathetic waste of space. STILL your good points! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/70 "2016-07-25T01:38:31Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > but Islam is the most commonly cited religion used by terrorists to attack America here and abroad. Also, all countries which execute gays are Muslim countries, and a majority of Muslim countries criminalize LGBT people while a majority of non-Muslim countries don’t, and most Muslim countries have oppressive societies and laws for women, like requiring hijab/burka, allowing honor killings, etc. Not that other countries are perfect, but this stuff is most widespread, intense, and institutionalized in Muslim societies. Even in America, 43% of Muslim-American women wear hijab/burka according to Pew; that’s far higher than event exists Orthodox Jews as as percentage of American Jews overall (only 10% of US Jews are Orthodox of any sort, 6% Hasidic with their weird dress), Hindus and other religions in America don’t wear traditional dress as much as Muslims here. The hijab is basically a big scarf. Who cares if some women wear a big scarf, as long as it’s their choice? > [@](#): > > What happened to the secularism progressives are supposed to like? What happened to the human rights they’re supposed to care about, both here and abroad? We’re fighting for it with nuance and intelligence rather than vile broad brush attacks, since we actually want to win the long term conflict instead of prolonging and inflaming it. You want to make more terrorists and alienate Muslims who currently side with us, go ahead with your idiotic Trumpesque silliness. If you want to win hearts and minds and have a chance to actually help the Muslim world improve, then consider changing your strategy. Can’t decide if this thread is more amusing or more sad. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/71 "2016-07-25T01:38:37Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > about terrorists = Muslim’s. when did I ever say that? You can’t even use the apostrophe correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/72 "2016-07-25T01:40:19Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > What happened to the secularism progressives are supposed to like? What happened to the human rights they’re supposed to care about, both here and abroad? Nothing. Sometimes things are nuanced. Even though you are who you are, I’d still disapprove of your rights being infringed, or a member of your community being spat on. ---
**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/73 "2016-07-25T01:55:18Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > Nothing. Sometimes things are nuanced. Even though you are who you are, I’d still disapprove of your rights being infringed, or a member of your community being spat on. I never said anywhere that I condone special ID cards or registering people, or the hate crimes that have happened to some. That’s very different than immigration; people who are not yet in the US aren’t protected by the constitution until they’re here, and until they’re here, We the People, get to decide if they’re ever here in the first place. Also, sure people may have a right to wear a hijab/burka, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it. Burkas/hijabs being widespread is un-American. (Note the widespread part; so no there’s no analogue to Hassidic Jews, who are only 6% of American Jews, vs. 43% of Muslim-American women overall wearing a hijab or burka, both figures from Pew). ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/74 "2016-07-25T01:56:55Z")
this reminds me of the pit thread that started the no “lets you and him fight” rule some forgettable idiot was trying to pit one of the more popular posters back then an and it devolved into parody … ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/75 "2016-07-25T02:00:29Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I never said anywhere that I condone special ID cards or registering people, or the hate crimes that have happened to some. > > That’s very different than immigration; people who are not yet in the US aren’t protected by the constitution until they’re here, and until they’re here, We the People, get to decide if they’re ever here in the first place. Also, sure people may have a right to wear a hijab/burka, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it. > Burkas/hijabs being widespread is un-American. (Note the widespread part; so no there’s no analogue to Hassidic Jews, who are only 6% of American Jews, vs. 43% of Muslim-American women overall wearing a hijab or burka, both figures from Pew). Burqas are not widespread in America. And no one should care about big scarves. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/76 "2016-07-25T02:01:51Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > when did I ever say that? You can’t even use the apostrophe correctly. And you don’t know how to capitalize. You’re a weird little piece of dirt. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/77 "2016-07-25T02:03:16Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > I never said anywhere that I condone special ID cards or registering people, or the hate crimes that have happened to some. > > That’s very different than immigration; people who are not yet in the US aren’t protected by the constitution until they’re here, and until they’re here, We the People, get to decide if they’re ever here in the first place. Also, sure people may have a right to wear a hijab/burka, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it. > Burkas/hijabs being widespread is un-American. (Note the widespread part; so no there’s no analogue to Hassidic Jews, who are only 6% of American Jews, vs. 43% of Muslim-American women overall wearing a hijab or burka, both figures from Pew). What does this have to do with your question and my answer? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/78 "2016-07-25T02:26:57Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Burkas/hijabs being widespread is un-American. [IKR.](http://blogs-images.forbes.com/emilycanal/files/2015/11/SabaAhmed-1200x907.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/79 "2016-07-25T03:30:13Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > but Islam is the most commonly cited religion used by terrorists to attack America here and abroad. Also, all countries which execute gays are Muslim countries, and a majority of Muslim countries criminalize LGBT people while a majority of non-Muslim countries don’t, and most Muslim countries have oppressive societies and laws for women, like requiring hijab/burka, allowing honor killings, etc. … Even in America, 43% of Muslim-American women wear hijab/burka according to Pew … Islam is used by political terrorists and lone-wolf mass killers – not one of whom has ever actually been religious – as a dog-whistle to incite ignorant vile bigots like yourself into the no-win position of declaring war on the world’s second largest religion. Your stupidity and myopia in associating LGBT discrimination with Muslim countries is just what I’d expect from a bigoted idiot who’s been activated by the dog-whistle of Islamophobia. All the countries in such a list are backwaters with long histories of human rights abuses and reflects fundamentally a cultural and not a religious issue, and some of the worst, like Ethiopia, are predominantly Christian. Furthermore, if US states were countries, the ones in the Bible belt and the south would have a notorious history of LGBT abuses, not to mention other human rights abuses. > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > Also, sure people may have a right to wear a hijab/burka, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it. > Burkas/hijabs being widespread is un-American. I notice that your sole criticism of Muslims in America is that women might wear a hijab. No, you don’t have to like it, and they don’t have to like you, you ignorant vile bigoted piece of shit. And “un-American” is a meaningless, hateful pejorative term that is mainly associated with the McCarthy era and reeks of jingoism and xenophobia, exactly the kind of word that an ignorant bigoted piece of shit like yourself could be expected to use unironically. > [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > What happened to the secularism progressives are supposed to like? What happened to the human rights they’re supposed to care about, both here and abroad? Liberals care about human rights. You don’t. Stop trying to tell us you’re a liberal. I don’t want that word within ten miles of the bigoted stench that you emit everywhere you go. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The hijab is basically a big scarf. Who cares if some women wear a big scarf, as long as it’s their choice? Apparently vile bigoted pieces of shit like the OP care quite a lot. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/80 "2016-07-25T04:09:09Z")
I notice also that the OP has either forgotten that he’s supposed to be pitting **iiandyiiii** or has given it up as a lost cause, and is now back to his regular obsession of spittle-mouthed ranting and Islamophobic hate-mongering. He apparently has a very short attention span for anything except rants against Islam and rants against the black president Barack “Hussein” Obama. Both of which, as I understand it from the OP’s rants, should be considered un-American. In fact I think it’s been suggested (possibly by the OP himself) that Obama might be guilty of being both black and Muslim at the same time, and probably a Kenyan national. It’s for bringing us this sort of valuable enlightenment that the OP is treated with such deserving respectful deference. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781.md?page=5)