# Pitting iiandyiiii **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781 "2016-07-24T16:14:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/101 "2016-07-25T21:23:47Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > He apparently has a very short attention span for anything except rants against Islam and rants against the black president Barack “Hussein” Obama. That reminded me of this old [Tom Hanks SNL bit](https://vid.me/vRXh/mr-short-term-memory-the-blind-date-snl-s14e01-o): “Mr. Short-Term Memory. He shouldn’t have stood under that pear tree. Now there’s just no remedy. He’ll frustrate you so But he’ll never know. Because he’s Mr. Short-Term Memory.” ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/102 "2016-07-25T21:33:41Z")
I can’t decide if **iiandyiii** or **Chief Pedant** and the shitstains that are of CP’s ilk are more responsible for the consistency with which we can find race realist threads on the first page of Great Debates. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/103 "2016-07-25T21:59:43Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > every post I make, this guy almost follows me, So, what gets me here **DerekMichaels00** is that the above I think is the only really pittable offense of **iiandyiiii** in your op. I mean if it were true, which I don’t think it is that given that even you use weasel words - i.e. _almost follows_. Stalking on a message board is irritating, but in this case I think you both just frequent political threads in Elections and GD. I personally don’t see any indications of genuine stalking meant to harass. But if there were, it would at least be a legitimate gripe. But the rest of it… > [@](#): > > but also he defends anything and everything Obama and of the official Democratic Party. He’s one of those who says that calling Obama “polarizing” is “racist.” Tries to use the no true scotsman argument whenever someone points out how weak on radical Islam jihad Barack Obama is. And on every single issue, he takes the liberal side, be it foreign policy, race relations, you name it. He also is one of those who always defends Islam, but never any other religion. > > I’m generally left of center, I have some positions left (abortion, LGB rights, economics, environment), some positions right(foreign policy, worldview), and some dead-center, like race relations and police. The always-to-one-side stuff isn’t what I expected from a site like this. …seems to all boil down to **iiandyiiii** not agreeing with you politically. Worse from that last line what you _really_ seem to complaining about is the _overall board culture_ not agreeing with you. **iiandyiiii** seems to be your proxy for a rant about the board’s liberal-leaning politics in general. Which is just all sorts of lame. It’s silly to get pissed at someone for basically politely disagreeing with you, even if they do it all the time. It’s worse to just use them as a scapegoat to rant about how nobody seems to agree with you. If you don’t like that few seem to be on your side whatever that might be, you can either: a.) go somewhere else, or b.) grow a thicker skin and suck it up. Whining in affect how everybody here needs to be “moderate” like you is the worst kind of pathetic. Also for the record IMHO you’re wrong on just about everything. Just so you know :). ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/104 "2016-07-25T23:08:56Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > but Islam is the most commonly cited religion used by terrorists to attack America here and abroad. Also, all countries which execute gays are Muslim countries, and a majority of Muslim countries criminalize LGBT people while a majority of non-Muslim countries don’t, and most Muslim countries have oppressive societies and laws for women, like requiring hijab/burka, allowing honor killings, etc. Not that other countries are perfect, but this stuff is most widespread, intense, and institutionalized in Muslim societies. Even in America, 43% of Muslim-American women wear hijab/burka according to Pew; that’s far higher than event exists Orthodox Jews as as percentage of American Jews overall (only 10% of US Jews are Orthodox of any sort, 6% Hasidic with their weird dress), Hindus and other religions in America don’t wear traditional dress as much as Muslims here. > > What happened to the secularism progressives are supposed to like? What happened to the human rights they’re supposed to care about, both here and abroad? The simple answer to the very real questions you ask is that the Left (with some notable exceptions) has ensconced itself in the belief that the culture of these societies is why these human rights violations are institutionalized and prevalent. The religion, in this case Islam, is ancillary; it plays no meaningful part in their societies other than as the conduit to justify their long-held cultural beliefs. This leaves the ultimate question of why the “Christian” world embraced secularism and Enlightenment values where the “Muslim” world did not. The go-to answer for the left is “colonialism.” The white Christians colonized or otherwise meddled in the affairs of the Muslim world and this prevented them from liberalizing along with their contemporaries. Lack of education, oppression, etc. It never crosses their mind that the primary dictates of Islam are malignant towards secular democracy where as Christianity is more less ambivalent. That or white people are just smarter and realized they needed to stop letting religion dictate their societies. (I kid, I kid.) ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/105 "2016-07-25T23:11:30Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > …what you _really_ seem to complaining about is the _overall board culture_ not agreeing with you. **iiandyiiii** seems to be your proxy for a rant about the board’s liberal-leaning politics in general. > > … Also for the record IMHO you’re wrong on just about everything. Just so you know :). Yeah, when an entire board of Really Smart People disagrees with you on pretty much every opinion you have… I’d consider it a shot across the bows, if I were you. I’d start rethinking my basic tenets and where I get my information/talking points from. In fact, I did that years ago. Ended up sliding from Libertarian to “Libertarian In Theory But Liberal In Practice”. And I blame this place. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/106 "2016-07-25T23:32:22Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > The simple answer to the very real questions you ask is that the Left (with some notable exceptions) has ensconced itself in the belief that the culture of these societies is why these human rights violations are institutionalized and prevalent. The religion, in this case Islam, is ancillary; it plays no meaningful part in their societies other than as the conduit to justify their long-held cultural beliefs. > > This leaves the ultimate question of why the “Christian” world embraced secularism and Enlightenment values where the “Muslim” world did not. The go-to answer for the left is “colonialism.” The white Christians colonized or otherwise meddled in the affairs of the Muslim world and this prevented them from liberalizing along with their contemporaries. Lack of education, oppression, etc. > > It never crosses their mind that the primary dictates of Islam are malignant towards secular democracy where as Christianity is more less ambivalent. That or white people are just smarter and realized they needed to stop letting religion dictate their societies. > > (I kid, I kid.) I’m still curious what those “demographic fairy tales” were that you criticized Hillary about. Still have no idea what the hell you were talking about, and you never answered those questions. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/107 "2016-07-25T23:45:00Z")
A dissenting opinion! I don’t mind having \*\*iiandyiiii \*\*engage with trolls. First, not all of them are trolls. I mean, some probably are. Some probably aren’t. As much as it’s nice to believe otherwise, some people sincerely hold the opinions and post in the manner of the OP. Second, there’s a collective action problem. On any board, and this board especially, \*someone \*is going to engage racists even when they seem to be trolls. It might as well be someone smart and patient. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/108 "2016-07-25T23:54:38Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > A dissenting opinion! > > I don’t mind having \*\*iiandyiiii \*\*engage with trolls. First, not all of them are trolls. I mean, some probably are. Some probably aren’t. As much as it’s nice to believe otherwise, some people sincerely hold the opinions and post in the manner of the OP. Second, there’s a collective action problem. On any board, and this board especially, \*someone \*is going to engage racists even when they seem to be trolls. It might as well be someone smart and patient. Thank you very much for the kind words! I’ll say honestly that you are one of my favorite posters, especially on anything related to law. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/109 "2016-07-25T23:59:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’m still curious what those “demographic fairy tales” were that you criticized Hillary about. Still have no idea what the hell you were talking about, and you never answered those questions. On a simplistic level, I meant the portrayal of minorities as living ideal lives despite being crushed by the recession, a message which did not correlate with reality and which gave the economic populism of Bernie Sanders tremendous weight. But, more importantly: Why would you quote me and then post this? It makes the deflection so transparent. Go back to the fishes, Luca Brasi. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/110 "2016-07-26T00:12:11Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > On a simplistic level, I meant the portrayal of minorities as living ideal lives despite being crushed by the recession, a message which did not correlate with reality and which gave the economic populism of Bernie Sanders tremendous weight. > > But, more importantly: Why would you quote me and then post this? > > It makes the deflection so transparent. > > Go back to the fishes, Luca Brasi. Thanks for answering. I quoted and asked since I’ve been genuinely curious about that for months. As to deflection, I think the only part of your characterization about the progressive opinion on Islam that I disagree on a big way with is the colonialism part. I think it’s more random chance - some religions will just happen to develop a little differently. Since there have been so many times in which the Muslim world was generally more peaceful than the Christian world (and vice versa), I don’t think the texts and tenets of the religions have much to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/111 "2016-07-26T00:30:57Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Thanks for answering. I quoted and asked since I’ve been genuinely curious about that for months. > > As to deflection, I think the only part of your characterization about the progressive opinion on Islam that I disagree on a big way with is the colonialism part. I think it’s more random chance - some religions will just happen to develop a little differently. Since there have been so many times in which the Muslim world was generally more peaceful than the Christian world (and vice versa), I don’t think the texts and tenets of the religions have much to do with it. Thanks to you as well for the civil response. I apologize for being rude. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/112 "2016-07-26T00:32:01Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Thanks to you as well for the civil response. I apologize for being rude. No problem! ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/113 "2016-07-26T00:37:43Z")
**DerekMichaels00** is pitting **iiandyiiii**? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha … Haven’t had a good belly-laugh in ages! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/114 "2016-07-26T00:53:01Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Thanks for answering. I quoted and asked since I’ve been genuinely curious about that for months. > > As to deflection, I think the only part of your characterization about the progressive opinion on Islam that I disagree on a big way with is the colonialism part. I think it’s more random chance - some religions will just happen to develop a little differently. Since there have been so many times in which the Muslim world was generally more peaceful than the Christian world (and vice versa), I don’t think the texts and tenets of the religions have much to do with it. It’s not entirely random though. It’s influenced by politics, economics, and environmental factors. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/115 "2016-07-26T01:00:10Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > It’s not entirely random though. It’s influenced by politics, economics, and environmental factors. Yes, I agree. Should have included those factors. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/116 "2016-07-26T01:11:22Z")
This is getting too civil for the Pit. I’m going to go watch Sanders vs Wasserman-Schultz on Pay-Per-View. If anyone convinces **DerekM00** that he’s out of his depths here and he starts weeping, can someone let me know? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/117 "2016-07-26T01:11:23Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > . . . This leaves the ultimate question of why the “Christian” world embraced secularism and Enlightenment values where the “Muslim” world did not. The go-to answer for the left is “colonialism.” . . . It’s so cute when right-wingers try to say what left-wingers believe. They ALWAYS get it wrong, just like this. Christianity enjoyed an Enlightenment. But what you won’t admit is that Islam also enjoyed an enlightenment. There was a period of time in which Islamic Cordoba was the best-educated city in all of Europe. And it wasn’t “radical Islam” that put an end to Islamic enlightement, but Genghis Khan and Tamerlane\*, crushing them underfoot, much the way the Goths did to Italy. You’re ignorant of history, and you’re butt-ignorant of what the left actually believes. - No offense to our own **Tamerlane**. But, hey, while you’re around, Damascus is ripe for sacking. Again. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/118 "2016-07-26T01:12:09Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Thanks to you as well for the civil response. I apologize for being rude. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No problem! Christ almighty, the Pit has gone to shit. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/119 "2016-07-26T01:14:59Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Christ almighty, the Pit has gone to shit. We’ll always have **adaher**. ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781/120 "2016-07-26T01:22:49Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > It’s so cute when right-wingers try to say what left-wingers believe. They ALWAYS get it wrong, just like this. > > Christianity enjoyed an Enlightenment. But what you won’t admit is that Islam also enjoyed an enlightenment. There was a period of time in which Islamic Cordoba was the best-educated city in all of Europe. > > And it wasn’t “radical Islam” that put an end to Islamic enlightement, but Genghis Khan and Tamerlane\*, crushing them underfoot, much the way the Goths did to Italy. > > You’re ignorant of history, and you’re butt-ignorant of what the left actually believes. > > - No offense to our own **Tamerlane**. But, hey, while you’re around, Damascus is ripe for sacking. Again. I’ll gladly acknowledge that Islam was more Enlightened during the Middle Ages. It has since regressed where the Christian world has progressed. The question is why? And if you believe many liberals don’t blame western imperialism you are the ignorant anus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-iiandyiiii/760781.md?page=7)