# Pitting Max\_S **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074 "2022-02-08T00:26:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/201 "2022-03-10T18:13:15Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > In fact I _do_ think people of color are more psychologically resilient. You should be called out on this one (, too). It’s hugely reminiscent of … > **[How we fail black patients in pain](https://www.aamc.org/news/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain)** > > An expert looks at how false notions and hidden biases fuel inadequate treatment of minorities’ pain. To excerpt just one important piece: > What’s more, false ideas about black peoples’ experience of pain can lead to worrisome treatment disparities. In the 2016 study, for example, trainees who believed that black people are not as sensitive to pain as white people were less likely to treat black people’s pain appropriately. Whether you generalize to all PoC, and/or whether you speak of trauma vs. physical pain, has virtually no relevance to the error in cognition (I’m being kind) of which you’re guilty here. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/202 "2022-03-10T18:13:21Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > To be fair to the defendant he probably doesn’t know any Black people, we are talking about West Virginia. You are not funny, stop trying. > [@Max\_S](#): > > And it’s been a long time since I’ve talked politics with a Black person (in person) myself. It shows. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/203 "2022-03-10T18:15:08Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > To be fair to the defendant he probably doesn’t know any Black people, we are talking about West Virginia. Does he live in a cave? Has he never been exposed to modern day films, books, movies? The plight of African Americans has been given a lot of attention for decades (as it should). We even have an entire month based around Black history. If he’s the American equivalent of a Taliban member, that’s even further indictment of him. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/204 "2022-03-10T18:15:10Z")
Well, what’s obvious to you isn’t obvious to me. And I don’t think it’s going to be obvious for an all-white jury who have little to no interaction with Black people, which is almost assured. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/205 "2022-03-10T18:17:09Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > The plight of African Americans has been given a lot of attention for decades (as it should). That’s not the same as interacting with a real life person, and talking about it, in your monkeysphere. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/206 "2022-03-10T18:17:22Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Well, what’s obvious to you isn’t obvious to me. “Black Lives Matter, what’s that?” ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/207 "2022-03-10T18:18:05Z")
Whatever point you’re making here by referring to Black Lives Matter… [_whoosh_] ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/208 "2022-03-10T18:21:46Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > That’s not the same as interacting with a real life person, and talking about it, in your monkeysphere. That is correct. Personal experiences mean a lot. I do believe that growing up in a diverse neighborhood was very good for me, and I know that not everyone has had that advantage. But even still, it doesn’t require that level of empathy to know that it’s a bad idea to single out a Black person to receive KKK imagery. You’d need to be a moron to think that’s not going to make you look really bad. (Also, I want to point out to anyone unfamiliar with the term that [monkeysphere](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number) has nothing racial about it. It’s a term I have previous familiarity with.) ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/209 "2022-03-10T18:27:55Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > But even still, it doesn’t require that level of empathy to know that it’s a bad idea to single out a Black person to receive KKK imagery. You’d need to be a moron to think that’s not going to make you look really bad. It’s definitely a bad idea, a bad optic. And I think this email is in fact racist. The author who captioned the image and is accused of sending the email admitted so much and resigned his position at the pro-life group. But to say a reasonable person - in a state with like 93% white population - would know the email is going to cause _trauma_, and should therefore be liable in court, is a whole nother level. Assuming it would cause trauma for most people, even when used in a negative sense, you can’t use the argument that a reasonable person would interact with Black people and just _know_. Even interacting with Blacks isn’t enough, you have to be on such terms as to talk about racism and politics. I’m not a politically oriented person. My social relationships aren’t built on politics and often are devoid of them. There are _two_ people in my monkeysphere I am comfortable talking politics with, neither of which are Black. How many West Virginians do you think count Black people as part of their monkeysphere, _and_ talk racial politics with them? How many of those do you think would ever discuss the KKK? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/210 "2022-03-10T18:39:36Z")
Max here serves as an example as to why schools should be doing more to teach about racism and its effects on our fellow citizens, rather than the less that they are pushing for. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/211 "2022-03-10T18:40:37Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Even interacting with Blacks isn’t enough, you have to be on such terms as to talk about racism and politics. “Black Lives Matter, what’s that?” ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/212 "2022-03-10T18:41:02Z")
If there’s one thing people who like Klan regalia _don’t_ know, it’s how black folks feel about the Klan. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/213 "2022-03-10T18:49:23Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > You should be called out on this one (, too). It’s hugely reminiscent of … No, when I say I think people of color are more psychologically resilient, I don’t mean people of color _literally_ have thicker skin. I don’t think the psychological resilience is genetic whatsoever. That’s ridiculous. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/214 "2022-03-10T18:51:07Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > No, when I say I think people of color are more psychologically resilient, I don’t mean people of color _literally_ have thicker skin. That’s ridiculous. What I wrote: > Whether you generalize to all PoC, **and/or whether you speak of trauma vs. physical pain** , has virtually no relevance to the error in cognition (I’m being kind) of which you’re guilty here. Hope that clears things up. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/215 "2022-03-10T18:54:37Z")
I don’t see how it is an error in cognition. It’s a generalization - it will not always be the case that a person of color is more psychologically resilient than others. There’s no difference in the thought process between that and concluding that farm laborers are stronger than accountants. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/216 "2022-03-10T18:57:09Z")
None that you can see, at least. But we knew that. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/217 "2022-03-10T19:02:49Z")
Oh, for fuck’s sake. Arguing someone is “more psychologically resilient” is inherently saying that you can be more abusive toward them and it’s okay, because they can take it. Yeah, it’s not the same when you say it about farmers. But farmers aren’t a fucking race. You’re talking about experiences, not acting like somehow dark skin and African ancestry changes how someone’s brain works. For once, can you just acknowledge that maybe you have some racist ideas in your head and need to change them, instead of trying to figure out some way in which you are right? You start to get somewhat reasonable, then you pull this shit. How the fuck can’t you know that ascribing some quality to a race would be perceived as racist, even if it’s supposedly “positive”? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/218 "2022-03-10T19:03:54Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Arguing someone is “more psychologically resilient” is inherently saying that you can be more abusive toward them and it’s okay, because they can take it. No, it’s not. Abuse is wrong in its own right. Total disconnect. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/219 "2022-03-10T19:06:12Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > No, it’s not. Abuse is wrong in its own right. Total disconnect. That’s why nations never demonize their enemies when they’re at war. That’s why there are no Russian propaganda stories endeavoring to serve as pretexts for their actions in Ukraine, and in an effort to garner domestic and international support. That’s why groups who are constantly dehumanized, marginalized, and belittled are _never_ the victims of random attacks and continued efforts to reduce their place in society. Dude. There’s some shit wrong with you. Seriously. Maybe move to the Northeast – a major metro area – and GTFO of Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/220 "2022-03-10T19:10:35Z")
I am making no connection whatsoever between what you wrote, and what I wrote. A comparable generalization is to say a survivor of war is more resilient than a person who has never seen war, on account of them experiencing war and coming out of it. It is in no way dehumanizing, marginalizing, or belittling the survivors of war to speak of them as especially resilient human beings. Turn it around, and it is _still_ in no way dehumanizing, marginalizing, or belittling of people who have _not_ experienced war when you speak of survivors of war as especially resilient human beings. If a country chooses to demonize their enemies that has zilch to do with any of my points. ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074.md?page=12)