# Pitting Max\_S **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074 "2022-02-08T00:26:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/61 "2022-02-09T01:22:34Z")
Hey Max! What’s your concept of race and nation? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/62 "2022-02-09T01:49:04Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > I tip extremely well for short distances and 50% or more over that for longer distances. The amount the app suggests is always so low as to be insulting. Part of my logic for tipping more for longer distances is that I am taking time away from a driver who could be doing several shorter trips in the time it takes them to do mine. I want to compensate them for that. I’ve noticed that the tip for most of these apps is generally lower than the cost of an Uber to my local pub. **Much** lower if you factor in that I’ve got to Uber home afterwards, as well. So if I’m willing to add the cost of an Uber to a night at the pub, it’s awfully stingy to screw the driver if I decide to order in, instead one night. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/63 "2022-02-09T01:53:24Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Hey Max! What’s your concept of race and nation? I came here for an argument about tipping, and now we’re arguing about the Olympics? 🤨 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/64 "2022-02-09T02:02:54Z")
He mentioned it first. 😒 ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/65 "2022-02-09T02:10:48Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I came here for an argument about tipping This is _abuse_ about tipping. You want thread 12A next door. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/66 "2022-02-09T02:11:27Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > This is _abuse_ about tipping. You want thread 12A next door I thought that was “getting hit on the head” lessons. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/67 "2022-02-09T14:51:06Z")
weak debates > [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Bicycles - should they stop at stop signs? Only if there is a person riding the bicycle, because bicycles are vehicles and the person operating them generally has the same rights and duties as a driver of a car (in Florida, at least). There is however a special provision by which up to ten bicyclists may cross a stop sign at a time, Fl stat. 316.2065 (6)(b) > When stopping at a stop sign, persons riding bicycles in groups, after coming to a full stop and obeying all traffic laws, may proceed through the stop sign in a group of 10 or fewer at a time. Motor vehicle operators must allow one such group to travel through the intersection before moving forward. > [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Drunk driving may kill a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time so its impossible to say if it’s good or bad. I am not aware of a lot of people showing up to work drunk, or why that would be a good thing, or a lot of drunk driving in the morning when people go to work (rather than say midnight to 4am). Even if the adversative holds that doesn’t come close to balancing out the number of people killed on a societal basis, or the risk of death to any individual. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/68 "2022-02-09T14:55:42Z")
> [@DeadTreasSecretaries](#): > > Drunk driving may kill a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time so its impossible to say if it’s good or bad. Only 28% of all highway fatalities are from drunk driving. That means that 72% are not related to drunk driving. You’ve got 2.5 times the chance of dying in a sober accident than a drunk accident. Don’t you owe it to yourself to have a couple of drinks before you hit the road? ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/69 "2022-02-09T14:56:43Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Only if there is a person riding the bicycle, because bicycles are vehicles and the person operating them generally has the same rights and duties as a driver of a car Hopefully all states get around to adopting the Idaho Stop Law, one of the few good things about Idaho. It allows me to treat stop signs as yield signs and red lights as stop signs. Common sense for cycling. WA has picked up part of this law. Those are the two main states I ride in, occasionally heading into Montana where I rarely have to worry about either stop sign or light 😉 > **[Idaho stop](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop)** > > The Idaho stop is the common name for laws that allow bicyclists to treat a stop sign as a yield sign, and a red light as a stop sign. It first became law in Idaho in 1982, but was not adopted elsewhere until Delaware adopted a limited stop-as-yield law, the "Delaware Yield", in 2017. Arkansas was the second US state to legalize both stop-as-yield and red-light-as-stop in April 2019. Studies in Delaware and Idaho have shown significant decreases in crashes at stop-controlled intersections. > The... ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/70 "2022-02-09T14:57:43Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > Only 28% of all highway fatalities are from drunk driving. That means that 72% are not related to drunk driving. You’ve got 2.5 times the chance of dying in a sober accident than a drunk accident. Don’t you owe it to yourself to have a couple of drinks before you hit the road? Seems like common sense. 🍻 ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/71 "2022-02-09T15:01:53Z")
Friends don’t let friends drive sober. “You haven’t had enough to drink. If you’re leaving, let me call you a cab. But when it arrives, bring him into the bar, he’ll need a few drinks in him.” ---
**Author:** ![Kropotkin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kropotkin/32/18045_2.png) [@Kropotkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kropotkin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/72 "2022-02-09T15:02:57Z")
Yes, clearly driving while drunk is better for everyone as it reduces the likelihood of getting into an accident. It’s the socially responsible thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/73 "2022-02-09T15:10:08Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Fuck you you fucking fuck. Pay the tip or take your cheap lazy ass over there and get your food your goddamn self. I’ve always loved the Pit. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/74 "2022-02-09T15:11:40Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I am not aware of a lot of people showing up to work drunk, or why that would be a good thing, or a lot of drunk driving in the morning when people go to work (rather than say midnight to 4am). U.S. government statistics for one recent year showed that while the highest percentage of fatal accidents involving drunk drivers occurred between midnight and 3 a.m., 53% of fatalities between 3 and 6 a.m. and 15% of fatal accidents between 6 and 9 a.m. involved the alcohol-impaired. > **[{{PageFactory.title}}](https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov)** > > The National Center for Statistics and Analysis (NCSA), an office of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), is responsible for providing a wide range of analytical and statistical support to NHTSA and the highway safety community... This could reflect people coming home really late after partying, going to work drunk or coming home after the night shift drunk. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/75 "2022-02-09T15:11:52Z")
But should I tip a drunk DoorDash driver more? Is it okay to not tip him at all if he has only had _one_ drink? ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/76 "2022-02-09T15:16:51Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > And you know what else? It doesn’t matter how far they had to drive to bring you your food, what you are paying for IS THE DELIVERY ITSELF, PERIOD. When we had the big snowfall last week, I ordered a pizza that night. The place is literally a mile and a half away, which is no distance at all. However, for me to traverse that trivial distance, I would have had to get dressed, don boots, clean off and dig out my car, and make the treacherous drive there and back myself. Instead, I answered the door and gratefully received my pizza. Heck, besides the included delivery fee, I gave him an extra five bucks. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/77 "2022-02-09T15:48:01Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > But should I tip a drunk DoorDash driver more? If someone is drunk, it’s really easy to tip them over. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/78 "2022-02-09T15:50:10Z")
> [@Bill\_Door](#): > > Only 28% of all highway fatalities are from drunk driving. That means that 72% are not related to drunk driving. You’ve got 2.5 times the chance of dying in a sober accident than a drunk accident. Don’t you owe it to yourself to have a couple of drinks before you hit the road? People use this kind of logic all the time. ☹ I’m not sure whether drunk people are more likely to survive the trauma of an accident, though. It is often said that being drunk makes you less rigid and so when you get into an accident you are less likely to die. Some people will take that and run with it… but I’d think if you are drunk and drive you are more likely to get in an accident, and this outweighs any potential marginal benefit to being drunk when you get hit. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/79 "2022-02-09T15:51:07Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If someone is drunk, it’s really easy to tip them over Except when the driver is also belligerent, in which case it would be easy to understand why a customer might be cowed. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/80 "2022-02-09T15:52:52Z")
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