# Pitting Max\_S **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074 "2022-02-08T00:26:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2022, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/881 "2022-11-06T18:10:01Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Note that “your position” is extremely unusual. It’s news to me but it looks more and more like you may be right. I just learned that nonmoral is a word. No big deal as this “is neutral a moral value” thing is 100% semantic. > [@Atamasama](#): > > If I decide I want to call hats “shoes”, and call shoes “hats”, and then go into a clothing store to buy accessories, I’m a massive asshole when I start lecturing the salespeople there the way you are in this thread. However if you have _always_ thought hats were called “shoes” and people start making fun of you for walking around barefoot, you aren’t an asshole to say you still use footwear. Then when someone nicer starts patiently explaining why you are barefoot if you never wear “shoes” on your feet, you aren’t an asshole for patiently explaining why you disagree. The analogy has breaking points. **Ann\_Hedonia** ’s point, and yours, was a little more than “moral value doesn’t include neutral”. We still have disagreements beyond semantics which haven’t been explored. Also, what’s the likeliness of someone going 26 years without ever realizing “shoes” means footwear, versus realizing “moral value” is on a spectrum, but inexplicably doesn’t include neutral? That’s like saying zero isn’t an integer, because when we say “none” we mean zero. It just doesn’t sit right. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2022, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/882 "2022-11-06T20:36:43Z")
Yes. I want my money back. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/883 "2022-11-06T20:48:04Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > What happens when a bunch of people are trying to discuss things rationally with a sociopath. You can’t get back the time you’ve put in already, but you can still salvage what time you may have left. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/884 "2022-11-07T07:47:07Z")
“Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; you’ll waste your time and annoy the pig.” –Lazarus Long ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/885 "2022-11-07T19:14:19Z")
Well, and the fact that in a discussion on morals, you went directly to your moral duty to yourself to satisfy your personal desires. I think it’s fucked up, but its a very Republican concept of morality. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/886 "2022-11-07T21:38:52Z")
It seemed (still seems) like an excellent way to demonstrate how I believe morals are subjective. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/887 "2023-03-21T20:16:16Z")
I saw 87 new messages in Defining Woke and immediately thought “Max has lost his job again” ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/888 "2023-03-21T20:18:28Z")
**YWTF** posted a definition that is substantially identical to mine, but she was promptly suspended from the boards (and may soon be banned) for violating her topic ban. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/889 "2023-03-21T21:11:16Z")
Thank goodness the transphobe has you here to cover for her. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/890 "2023-03-21T21:15:57Z")
I’m just trying to defend my definition of ‘woke’, in the pejorative sense conservatives use it. I’m not endorsing any of **YWTF** ’s other views. Besides, I was in that thread first! ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2023, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/891 "2023-03-21T21:46:50Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I’m just trying to defend my definition of ‘woke’, in the pejorative sense conservatives use it. Cowardly troll. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/892 "2023-03-22T01:51:03Z")
I hope everyone who pointlessly engaged this fucking troll over the last 24 hours in that thread is happy that they contributed to the incel’s gaining sexual release a dozen times in a day for the first time since he was orphaned. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/893 "2023-03-22T17:13:23Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I’m just trying to defend my definition of ‘woke’, in the pejorative sense conservatives use it. I’m not endorsing any of **YWTF** ’s other views. Besides, I was in that thread first! The issue isn’t that you took a position, it’s that you won’t shut the fuck up once you’ve taken it. And I say that by the standards of the SDMB, where “not letting shit go” is an Olympic sport. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/894 "2023-03-22T18:16:48Z")
You seem to purposely miss that your definition is taken into account as a valid but limited one, what you blindly miss is that most anti science and bigoted groups are using the word now as a way to get around about how racist and anti science they are. I already saw this rodeo before, it is disingenuous to say that just because conservative leaders didn’t use the word in the precise way you stipulate, that that then it does not fit your limited definition. It is a very, very stupid thing to say as the misleaders of the Republicans did it before by not saying precisely that “covid was a hoax”. It does not help your stupid position that in the end the republican base got the message that it was a hoax anyhow, and after looking at what they are doing in congress now, they continue to pander to the base that got the misunderstanding. Once a whistle is set, there is a lot of effort that is needed from conservatives to defuse that misunderstanding, but sadly, many like you choose to live with the “plausible” explanation from leaders that still leaves the harmful misinformation or harmful word word meanings to thrive among their base. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2023, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/895 "2023-03-22T18:21:43Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Once a whistle is set, there is a lot of effort that is needed from conservatives to defuse that misunderstanding, but sadly, many like you choose to live with the “plausible” explanation from leaders that still leaves the harmful misinformation thrive among their base. Strangely, it turns out it’s easier to create a tiki torch waving mob than it is to control one. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/896 "2023-03-23T14:36:27Z")
Just popping in again to reiterate: FUCK YOU MAX YOU FUCKING PIECE OF PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL DOG SHIT. (With apologies to dog shit, which actually has more value than anything Max\_S has ever posted on this board) ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/897 "2023-03-23T17:21:17Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > (With apologies to dog shit, which actually has more value than anything Max\_S has ever posted on this board) I have to admit that he can be useful when posting technical, mostly IT advice, and he gave me and others some valuable help in these threads. But as for his posting on political or social matters, I agree that he’s useless and obnoxious. He always reminds me of an android that’s useful for technical things but unable to grok social interactions and concepts. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2023, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/898 "2023-03-23T17:55:54Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > He always reminds me of an android that’s useful for technical things but unable to grok social interactions and concepts. I was generally a fan of Data though. [https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ChubbyOpulentClingfish-size\_restricted.gif](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ChubbyOpulentClingfish-size_restricted.gif) I think Max is _mostly_ okay when he’s not posting racist stuff. (Was that a loaded comment?) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2023, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/899 "2023-03-23T17:56:21Z")
Data _wanted_ to improve. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/900 "2023-03-23T18:12:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The issue isn’t that you took a position, it’s that you won’t shut the fuck up once you’ve taken it. Wouldn’t it be rude of me to ignore, say, **GIGObuster** ’s long and thought out post? Is it more considerate of me to lie and say, oh, now I get it! Then never post on the subject again, because I really don’t get it? ~Max [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074.md?page=46)