# Pitting Max\_S **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074 "2022-02-08T00:26:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1101 "2024-09-12T01:03:33Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > If this is what anti-Trump looks like, holy shit, you guys are credulous. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1102 "2024-09-12T01:05:42Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > > [@Steve\_McQwark](#): > > > > It needs some more verses about Momma, pickup trucks, getting drunk, and prison. Then you’ll have the perfect country and western song. > > That’d turn it into a David Allen Coe song. Normally, I wouldn’t comment. But, it’s a Steve Goodman song. This is a Chicago-based board, isn’t it. Gotta give Steve a plug whenever you can. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1103 "2024-09-12T01:07:58Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > If this is what anti-Trump looks like, holy shit, you guys are credulous. ⁢ It’s not clear to me if you think that you are talking to me. I said that **up until now** he had seemed consistently against Trump. And if he is doing the “third party” dance (as Atasama says) then I will remind him that the third party cannot win. It’s Trump or Harris. And he is in Florida, where his vote will matter. If you are in fact anti-Trump, then your only actual choice is to vote for Harris. Otherwise, you help Trump win. Oh, and it’s disingenuous to act like Kamala thinks her job is to troll Trump. Her job now is to win the election. Trolling Trump can help with that, as it forces him to mess up. It doesn’t mean that she thinks it will be her job as President. That’s just dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1104 "2024-09-12T01:09:09Z")
If you must know, it’s because I’ve started going to meetings and talking politics with people face to face, and I want to have an _informed_ opinion on the matter. Previously, as I’ve already written, it was my general understanding that Biden and Harris _didn’t_ get along very well. And this is a view that is common among people I know. But it’s not actually based in fact. It’s just been this thing that I always took as given. Until Trump said it out loud last night. I looked at a few fact checks of the debate. The claim that Biden hates Harris wasn’t in any of the ones I read. As I wrote in two threads now, I did some cursory searching but only found evidence backing up my pre-existing notion that they don’t get along well. The First Lady reportedly expressing private disapproval of Harris. Aides to Biden, as cited in some tell all book from before Biden stepped down, which I don’t know how to evaluate the weight of, saying the common view of Harris was that she didn’t have what it took. Being sidelined in the first couple years. Not having weekly lunches with the President. &etc. I cited all of these because I want counter-cites. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1105 "2024-09-12T01:09:53Z")
Fuck off Troll Also, “brevity is the soul of wit” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1106 "2024-09-12T01:11:40Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I cited all of these because I want counter-cites. Why does it matter? Why do you care? Biden publicly supports Harris. Good enough for me ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1107 "2024-09-12T01:11:57Z")
That was not it. I had hoped you’d say you just took someone else’s post seriously, not realizing it was a joke. You do come off as a bit overly literal in your thinking. It was a dumb, irrelevant question. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1108 "2024-09-12T01:12:57Z")
Yes, and most Republicans publicly support Trump. Doesn’t mean many don’t hate his guts. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1109 "2024-09-12T01:14:19Z")
Right. But their public support tells us what we need to know about their character ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1110 "2024-09-12T01:14:38Z")
He thinks Trump won the debate. But you believe he’s anti-Trump. I have a bridge to sell you. This is a guy who is either a staggeringly sociopathic person or has been trolling these boards for years. He would support returning slaves to captivity. Turning over Jews to Nazis to be exterminated. If he tricked his sister into agreeing to have sex with him by burying the terms in a 15 page contract to buy his car, he’d sue to enforce the contract. And there would be SDMB stalwarts saying “Hey, let’s not be hasty with our condemnation, he might be a trifle legalistic, but his brief is a thing of beauty.” ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1111 "2024-09-12T01:20:24Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > He would support returning slaves to captivity. Turning over Jews to Nazis to be exterminated. > > If he tricked his sister into agreeing to have sex with him by burying the terms in a 15 page contract to buy his car, he’d sue to enforce the contract. So, a typical Republican. Also, over/under that Max posts 1,500 words explaining that contracts don’t work that way? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1112 "2024-09-12T01:23:48Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > He thinks Trump won the debate. But you believe he’s anti-Trump. I have a bridge to sell you. No. Again, I said that _up until now_ he had seemed like he was anti-Trump. As in, **before he said that**. My first post even says that the new information _changes my opinion of him_. If you’re having this much trouble parsing my post, I have to start questioning if you parsed his correctly. @Max_S people are accusing you of some pretty awful things. Are you going to come in and defend yourself? Because, if they’re right, you’re just a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1113 "2024-09-12T01:25:45Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No. Again, I said that _up until now_ he had seemed like he was anti-Trump. As in, **before he said that**. I’m saying he’s been transparently disingenuous, and you’ve been either incredibly credulous or deliberately oblivious. And I mean before today. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1114 "2024-09-12T01:30:10Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Max\_S people are accusing you of some pretty awful things. Are you going to come in and defend yourself? Because, if they’re right, you’re just a troll. Uh, if you’re referring to the turn over Jews and Slaves to Nazis/Owners, those are his own statements. He stated, and I’m paraphrasing, that if those events occurred in his presence, he would feel bound to cooperate with the enforcing entities as part of the legal/social contract. Feel free to re-read the thread and the linked threads. Note, he did not say he’d do so _gleefully_, but out of some (IMHO) utterly detached and nigh-sociopathic lack of empathy. IE Max may or may not be a troll, but he’s evil by most common definitions as discussed in thread - which is more than enough reason to avoid his posts. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1115 "2024-09-12T01:32:49Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > IE Max may or may not be a troll, but he’s evil by most common definitions as discussed in thread - which is more than enough reason to avoid his posts. But what if he appears _intelligent?_ ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1116 "2024-09-12T01:33:34Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > @Max_S people are accusing you of some pretty awful things. Are you going to come in and defend yourself? Because, if they’re right, you’re just a troll. I’m not a particular fan of Max, but nobody has an obligation to come defend themselves in a Pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1117 "2024-09-12T01:34:42Z")
Nor does anyone have to come here to defend the indefensible to make yourself feel better about once being like him. Not directed at you. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1118 "2024-09-12T01:40:34Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > Nor does anyone have to come here to defend the indefensible to make yourself feel better about once being like him. If that’s aimed at me, it was about voting in 2016, period. Other than that, Max might as well be an alien from outer space. If it wasn’t then I apologize. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1119 "2024-09-12T01:44:33Z")
No, I can certainly see some of my younger self in Max. The rote thinking that insists on considering the world through rigid adherence to “the rules”. The endless arguing over pointless minutia. Taking refuge from moral judgments in pedantic formalisms. But eventually I grew up. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074/1120 "2024-09-12T01:47:02Z")
> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#): > > But what if he appears _intelligent?_ I think I made the point upthread. > [@ParallelLines](#): > > I’m going to disagree **scudsucker**. I mean, technically, if you can find a factual subject that has no bearing on social, political or moral issues (not an easy ask I’d say) then it might be worth reviewing with a pinch of salt. > > But go through the thread again. The Roastee of Honor picks and chooses what “factual” basis he argues from, and it changes to suit his conclusions, rather than arguing from merit or causes. > > So, as a couple of examples, he considers himself a constitutional scholar… unless he feels that the amendment doesn’t apply. Or that territory gains by conquest are fine, As long as it’s before his chosen point of the World War Era. > > And that anything done that is _legal_ is fine, despite the moral arguments, again, unless it’s a law -he- doesn’t approve of, at which point, nope, it’s not fine. So, even if he’s intelligent, because he’s evil, he’ll bend and break his own standards to pull out a win for his own side. So his intelligence is moot - he argues from only the facts/POV/time period he accepts, and even then, ONLY if it adheres to his pre-formed preferences. IE, he’s evil AND hypocritical. See my prior efforts to get him to acknowledge the inconsistencies with ownership of conquered lands. It’s fine that the US/Canada have ownership of former native lands, because it happened before WW2ish, but anything SINCE is illegal/wrong. Fuck that guy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-max-s/959074.md?page=57)