# Pitting myself for requesting a reasonable discussion on Afpak war last March **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650 "2013-06-22T20:49:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/1 "2013-06-22T20:49:48Z")
- - US General uses “V” word in Afghan War - Only 4 US Combat Deaths since Jan 1. ([US General uses "V" word in Afghan War - Only 4 US Combat Deaths since Jan 1. - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=684765)) #013 NotfooledbyW 03-10-2013 01:46 PM You’re shitting me, right? US combat casualties in Vietnam were reaching all time lows in 1972 because we were leaving and had ceased conducting aggressive combat operations and were handing the war over to the ARVN. Do I need to remind you what happened to the Republic of Vietnam over the next three years? Or what happened to the Soviet backed Afghan government after they left? - #002 Today, 11:04 AM reply to#001 -Originally Posted by Dissonance (Post 16083249) First let me ask, because of your tone, If you are willing to participate in a reasonable discussion on the topic of the War in Afghanistan on its own merits and characteristics many of which that are not at all similar to the US Experience in Vietnam and the Soviet Experience in the 1980s. If you are willing to discuss the war in Afghanistan based upon the nature and specific challenges of geography, and the reasons we went there after the attacks on 9/11, and the multitude of differences between the war fighting technology available in 1970 and 2000; and the huge differences in the geopolitical make up of outside support nations for the opposing sides; and the sociological make-up of Vietnam versus the nature of the fight in Afghanistan and the effect of COIN on combating an insurgency; and many other conditions I would be willing to present, then could you let me know if you are interested in that, or is this a “MY WAY or the HI-WAY” kind of debate wherein it is not centered on a serious examination of the facts, it is just a constant refrain of “you are shitting me right?” For anyone else, interested in the “STRAIGHTDOPE Philosophy” I will offer this: In AfPAK we are not fighting on one side of a divided nation as we did in NAM. In NAM we faced not only a non-uniformed guerilla insurgency, but we opposed a Regular Army (ARVN ) \*\*\*\*\*\* I corrected my error from (ARVN) to NVA as was pointed out at the time. \*\* that maintained its supplies and and direction and authority from the North Vietnamese Government. At the end of Vietnam, It was Richard Nixon, who negotiated “PEACE WITH HONOR” with the CHINESE and North Vietnamese Government. Drones/balloons for surveillance were not as technologically advanced in 1970 as they are today. For instance the US/ISAF has tethered balloons with cameras that view what is going on long stretches of major highways and these high range cameras can be daisy-changed for miles so our side can see any type of insurgent activity with regard to planting IED or massing for an attack on any critical institution. AfPAK is not being waged a jungle. I’ll have more, but I hope you get the picture. If you just wish to scream that you are right and anybody else is wrong because everybody knows that Afghanistan is Vietnam redux, then let me know up front, so I won’t be accused of "one trick ponyism’ because I am quite informed and deeply interested in the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/2 "2013-06-22T20:59:02Z")
I’ll translate this into English for the peanut gallery: “Pay attention to me! Pay attention to me! Pay attention to meeeeeeeeeeeee!” ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/3 "2013-06-22T21:35:38Z")
I feel sorry for the “f” inAfPak, being relegated to lowly lowercase status, in the midst of Capital Letters. Such a shame. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/4 "2013-06-22T21:48:41Z")
re: Pitting myself I don’t think you’re doing it right. You’re supposed to be pissed at YOURSELF, not everybody who disagreed with you. Opening a Pit thread to whine that people disagreed with you in GD is kind of pathetic. Do over. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/5 "2013-06-22T22:04:39Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > I’ll translate this into English for the peanut gallery: > > “Pay attention to me! Pay attention to me! Pay attention to meeeeeeeeeeeee!” I’ll modify that to pay attention to what I actually write, and just how much I am enjoying the fact that XT pitted me. Are getting attention right now Ravenman? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/6 "2013-06-22T22:17:04Z")
I’m guessing this isn’t going to work out well for the OP. 😛 [QUOTE=NotfooledbyW] I’ll modify that to pay attention to what I actually write, and just how much I am enjoying the fact that XT pitted me. [/QUOTE] Some people just have masochistic tendencies. Or, perhaps you feel you are coming off well in these threads. I mean, you are pretty stupid, so it’s possible you feel you are ahead on points…or something. Far be it from me to disabuse you of that and burst your bubble. And, just as a heads up, chief…you don’t really need to pit yourself. I’m fairly sure that one pit thread on you is plenty sufficient for most 'dopers to realize what an idiot you are and to avoid engaging you in the future. Hell, you’ve provided enough examples that Wiki is probably going to create a page on you for a text book pendant dipshit, in case anyone needs to look up the text book definition. Don’t be surprised if they contact you soon to get a picture… ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/7 "2013-06-22T22:57:33Z")
I don’t care what you said in that other thread. Their duck mascot is hysterical, and I don’t care who knows I think that. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/8 "2013-06-22T23:02:13Z")
> **[At what point does someone being celibate become a dealbreaker for you?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=694505)** > > Spin-off of this thread on virgins. I bring this up because I have been celibate for 16 years now. I guess by this point I can fulfill all (or almost all) of my needs in other ways, have learned to sublimate said drives into other directions, and... Ladies…would you sleep/get involved with NFBW? ---
**Author:** ![drew870mitchell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drew870mitchell/32/3946_2.png) [@drew870mitchell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drew870mitchell)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2013, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/9 "2013-06-22T23:59:58Z")
**NotfooledbyW** , you need to learn the usual method for quoting posts around these parts (and pretty much anywhere else in printed word). Your posts are inscrutable. ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/10 "2013-06-23T00:06:35Z")
> [@drew870mitchell](#): > > **NotfooledbyW** , you need to learn the usual method for quoting posts around these parts (and pretty much anywhere else in printed word). Your posts are inscrutable. Thanks. I’ll work on it. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/11 "2013-06-23T00:23:25Z")
And for anyone interested in yet another example of how idiotic this OP is, and assuming you don’t want to slog through the whole ridiculous thread the OP linked to, just look at the last page. It’s a perfect example of this guys MO…pedantic, bull dog stubborn stupid as he basically is just talking to himself at that point, to the point a Mod had to close the thread because it was turning into this guys blog. Oh, and then this thread…to revive the whole discussion, disguised as a self pitting. 😛 I have to say, the Gonz’onometer is starting to tick up to practically Gonzo levels of idiocy…I think he’s left even FXM behind in the dust at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/12 "2013-06-24T13:51:55Z")
Nowhere have I ever stood by the words ‘You’re shitting me, right?’ more than I do here. You’re a nutbag **NotfooledbyW** , it was as clear then as it is now. I only regret that since your over the top hysterical reaction to my response to your absurd notion that we’d achieved victory in Aflac - I mean AfPak - because only 4 American servicemen had died since we’re leaving the country is the source of this pitting, I suppose it technically makes this the first pitting of me. It’s very disappointing, the real reason for the pitting being that attention whore needs to whore attention leaves me feeling vaguely dirty and used. Somehow I expected more from my first time than word salad. As always **NotfooledbyW** , you disappoint. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/13 "2013-06-24T14:00:32Z")
I have to disagree with **XT** about the OP. The OP isn’t about pedantry. It’s performance art trolling, possibly by more than one personality. Heck, those personalities may even be in different bodies. The thing is, none of them has a clue. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/14 "2013-06-24T15:19:28Z")
Can I pit myself for being too brilliant and handsome? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/15 "2013-06-24T15:58:01Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Can I pit myself for being too brilliant and handsome? Has anyone said you were not? ---
**Author:** ![NotfooledbyW](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f475e1/32.png) [@NotfooledbyW](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotfooledbyW)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/16 "2013-06-24T16:07:09Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > Nowhere have I ever stood by the words ‘You’re shitting me, right?’ more than I do here. You’re a nutbag **NotfooledbyW** , it was as clear then as it is now. I only regret that since your over the top hysterical reaction to my response to your absurd notion that we’d achieved victory in Aflac - I mean AfPak - because only 4 American servicemen had died since we’re leaving the country is the source of this pitting, I suppose it technically makes this the first pitting of me. It’s very disappointing, the real reason for the pitting being that attention whore needs to whore attention leaves me feeling vaguely dirty and used. Somehow I expected more from my first time than word salad. As always **NotfooledbyW** , you disappoint. There you go. This is quite typically encountered here. > [@](#): > > "over the top hysterical reaction to my response to your absurd notion that we’d achieved victory in Afpak I never ever said, wrote, proposed, suggested, hinted, offered, insisted, declared, pretended, or entertained a thought that we “have achieved victory in AfPak”. I think this is what bugs people when I ask to show where I ever said such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/17 "2013-06-24T16:41:06Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > I feel sorry for the “f” inAfPak, being relegated to lowly lowercase status, in the midst of Capital Letters. Such a shame. I feel sorrier for the “f” in “interest in this thread”. Because there is no effing interest in this thread. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/18 "2013-06-24T16:41:49Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Has anyone said you were not? If nobody disagrees it’s just RO. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/19 "2013-06-25T13:13:46Z")
> [@NotfooledbyW](#): > > Has anyone said you were not? So you’re saying I’m the perfect amount of brilliant and handsome? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650/20 "2013-06-25T14:38:02Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So you’re saying I’m the perfect amount of brilliant and handsome? I believe that was in the User Agreement when I signed up. Along with a line about paper towel tubes and a third point that was something about saying Hi. Yep, I checked, it’s still there. I’m assuming they’ll change it if you go senile or have an industrial accident. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-myself-for-requesting-a-reasonable-discussion-on-afpak-war-last-march/661650.md?page=2)