# Pitting nearwildheaven **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 16, 2022, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176 "2022-03-16T12:19:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/1 "2022-03-16T12:19:12Z")
> [@Spouses of Judges](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spouses-of-judges/961119/8): > > (I also believe that Anita Hill lied about being sexually harassed by him, and set the cause back by many years by doing so. I saw the hearings, and her body language totally gave her away; I believe that she wanted to date him, and he wasn’t interested, so she was doing this to get back at him.) Well, it’s a good thing he didn’t get the job anyway and she didn’t suffer any humiliation from doing so! She sure showed him, didn’t she? Body language, huh? Maybe take this to the thread about “things I believe with no evidence”? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/2 "2022-03-16T13:11:15Z")
_“Bitches - amirite?”_ I don’t understand the view that false accusations like this are something that women just casually toss out there all the time, and particularly in this instance where doing so would constitute a felony. Hill was a full-fledged lawyer and legal scholar, she had multiple character witnesses to back her up (who weren’t called), and she successfully passed a polygraph test. Her treatment by the Senate Judiciary Committee was appalling, and yet she stuck by - and continues to stick by - her version of events. The narrative that Hill was just some delusional, spurned woman bent on revenge was put out by Thomas’ supporters. Apparently they flung enough of that shit for some of it to stick. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/3 "2022-03-16T15:10:21Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Apparently they flung enough of that shit for some of it to stick. If it’s a narrative that one wants to believe, one believes it. It doesn’t require any particular shit-sticking power for that to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/4 "2022-03-16T15:26:24Z")
It’s occurred to me that I should put “Pitting” in the title as per tradition-could a Mod change it for me? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/5 "2022-03-16T20:32:47Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The narrative that Hill was just some delusional, spurned woman bent on revenge was put out by Thomas’ supporters. Apparently they flung enough of that shit for some of it to stick. Yes, and it’s been _widely_ known for a long time that it was a frame-up. > **[Anita Hill's Detractor Apologizes for Trashing Her](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=121534)** > [@](#): > > W A S H I N G T O N, June 27, 2001 – Renouncing ties to the political right that made him a best-selling writer, David Brock now says he smeared Anita Hill with lies to salvage the reputation of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. > > Brock, who just three years ago acknowledged writing a misleading 1993 article about President Clinton’s sex life that ultimately led to impeachment, has acknowledged going even further to trash Hill. > > After her allegations of sexual harassment nearly sank Thomas’ nomination to the high court in 1991, Brock set about to write a book “to rehabilitate Thomas and clear his name for the history books.” > > In his latest book, Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative, the born-again moderate Brock realizes, “I was a witting cog in the Republican sleaze machine.” > > Brock claims congressional aides, top officials from the first Bush White House, and even Justice Thomas himself — after winning confirmation to the Supreme Court — provided dirt for the smear campaign. > > A Supreme Court official said Justice Thomas would have no comment. Too bad Hill’s body language didn’t match what some people seem to think it should have been. This is the same crap that victims have to put up with in court all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/6 "2022-03-16T20:55:46Z")
I wonder what her body language should have been? ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/7 "2022-03-16T21:19:28Z")
Absent. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/8 "2022-03-16T22:02:26Z")
I’m OK with people vehemently disagreeing with me on this issue; I’m a big girl (in more ways than one) and can take it. I have also been harassed, by both men and women, so I’m not totally naive about it. My opinion doesn’t affect any of this, one way or another. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/9 "2022-03-16T22:07:28Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > and she successfully passed a polygraph test Polygraphs are complete and utter bullshit, and should never be used as evidence for anything. (obviously, this does not argue against Hill’s version of events) ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/10 "2022-03-16T22:20:42Z")
What should her body language have been? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/11 "2022-03-16T22:51:55Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I’m OK with people vehemently disagreeing with me on this issue; I’m a big girl (in more ways than one) and can take it. I have also been harassed, by both men and women, so I’m not totally naive about it. Apparently you’re also OK with all the evidence vehemently disagreeing with you. Feel free to describe me pointing this out as “harassment”. > [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Polygraphs are complete and utter bullshit, and should never be used as evidence for anything. (obviously, this does not argue against Hill’s version of events) They are, but it wasn’t her idea. And Thomas refused to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/12 "2022-03-16T23:05:54Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > They are, but it wasn’t her idea. And Thomas refused to do so. Whether someone does or does not agree to a polygraph _also_ shouldn’t be used for anything, because you can’t know if they know that they’re bullshit. (I don’t disagree with your overall point. I just don’t think polygraphs should be bought up as evidence for anything, even indirectly.) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/13 "2022-03-16T23:34:53Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I have also been harassed, by both men and women, so I’m not totally naive about it. So you’re just a shitty person then. Got it. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/14 "2022-03-16T23:57:52Z")
[![](https://i.imgur.com/wEcgWJg.jpeg) ](https://i.imgur.com/wEcgWJg.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/15 "2022-03-17T04:04:16Z")
I agree with you Dr. Strangelove about polygraph tests being BS. One time I had to take one as part of a job application process. I was supposed to start on a certain day, and that very morning I got a call telling me I wasn’t hired after all, as I had “Failed” the test. I’ve never lied on a job application in my life, and sure as hell answered all the polygraph questions honestly. I suppose that not getting that particular job was good after all, because if you trust a machine over a person then you are a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/16 "2022-03-17T04:13:00Z")
Well, it depends on the person. I’d trust my toaster in the shower before I’d trust Trump on anything. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/17 "2022-03-17T04:50:28Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I’m OK with people vehemently disagreeing with me on this issue; This is what gets to me so often. This attempt to reframe these issues into mere disagreement, when people are actually telling you that what you are doing is morally wrong and harmful. It does fucking matter that you believe that someone lied about being sexually harassed, despite all evidence to the contrary. It matters that you think you think harassment is so unimportant that you’d rather go by a gut check of someone’s body language, rather than look at the facts. It matters that you are the type who wants to make excuses for these types of people, because it helps them get away with it. It matters that you don’t seem to think it’s a big deal at all to disbelieve an accuser like this. This is why this stuff is so rampant. There are so many people who want to come up with any excuse not to believe. **That** is what sets the cause back. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/18 "2022-03-17T19:33:55Z")
> [@Spouses of Judges](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/spouses-of-judges/961119/8): > > (I also believe that Anita Hill lied about being sexually harassed by him, and set the cause back by many years by doing so. I saw the hearings, and her body language totally gave her away; I believe that she wanted to date him, and he wasn’t interested, so she was doing this to get back at him.) You probably aren’t interested in challenging any of your pre-conceived notions, but all you had to do was google: > **[The Case for Impeaching Clarence Thomas](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/the-case-for-impeaching-clarence-thomas.html)** > > It’s time to re-examine the evidence that he not only committed serial sexual harassment, but lied about it. (paywall warning) > **[A STRANGE JUSTICE FOR ALL](https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1994/11/09/a-strange-justice-for-all/09855976-79bf-4614-95fe-65ba796d00cc/)** ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/19 "2022-03-17T20:47:13Z")
I mean, why should we give any credence to you? Your body language totally screams “untrustworthy” 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176/20 "2022-03-17T20:58:33Z")
Wish I’d seen this yesterday: > **[Body Language Expert Can Tell With 90% Accuracy If Person Sitting](https://www.theonion.com/body-language-expert-can-tell-with-90-accuracy-if-pers-1848612154)** > > NEW YORK—Explaining why she was in such high demand as an expert witness in courtrooms and as an analyst on news programs, body language specialist Linda Rothbaum told reporters Wednesday that she could discern with almost 90% accuracy whether a... [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/pitting-nearwildheaven/961176.md?page=2)